Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

[M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>]

OK Mal

 

It's a great idea for those like my self who enjoys CW although not good at it. I find a great deal of satisfaction completing even a short CW qso over any other mode of qso. As far as NDB goes, flight is all about safety. VFR followed by careful use of instrument in non VFR conditions. NDB have proved they totally reliable probably because of their simplicity and the shear number of ground based sites make it a reliable system. Aviation is a very conservative industry for very obvious reasons. Navigation by mark one eye ball and dead reckoning. Oh there are old pilots and bold pilots..... I am sure you know the rest.

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 16:41
Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

Pete

This proposal is common sense, considering the Primary users are all CW navigational safety BEACONS and surely OFCOM and the RSGB know this. If they arrived at any other decision it would be unwise. It is also prudent to keep the NDB network alive in the event that the GPS system is Zapped. In fact the DECCA system probably should have been retained as a standby.

There are still some MF/HF ssb frequencies in use and this is also a good idea in the event that INMAR sat and associated marine satellites fail or get zapped.

Modern technology has produced some fantastic TOYS and SYSTEMS but FRAGILE and vunerable to cyber attacks, emp's and in the hands of third parties where the user has no control.

On the other hand a couple of Radio Operators with simple CW transmitters and receivers are totally in control of a communications link and multiply this throughout the country and you have a complete communications network with multiple independent alternative links.

This is the way it used to be and as they say HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.

Maybe Valve/Tube technology ought to be revisited as well if we want robust devices. Modern chips only need a trace of electrostatic discharge when you comb your hair of walk on a nylon carpet to get zapped or a rain storm destroys your RX front end !!

I understand some countries still use TUBES for radio communication equipment not because they lack so called  modern technology but because they are playing safe when it comes to reliability and robustness.

 

  

g3kev

 

----- Original Message -----

From: M0FMT

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

 

Now you are talking Mal   ...... :-) Propose it!

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 15:09
Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

The band should be licensed for CW operators only so that they could recognize and read the CW  beacons and AVOID them.

Has OFCOM thought of this.  Neither should there be any amateur unattended BEACONS to jam the Primary user Beacons even unintentionally.

g3kev

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ken.h.wright@btinternet.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

Hi all. Following on from Tracey's info what would be the various regulators reaction be if we were crowded out of this band as we only have on a secondary basis. 73. Ken. M00KHW

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From: "Tracey Gardner" <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net>

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:50:43 -0000

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Subject: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

Hello Ken

 

I doubt it, but you never know.

I've just checked our Received In Europe (REU) database and there are some 29 inactive NDBs listed in the 472-479kHz range.

If they were all to become active that would roughly double the number of NDBs in that segment.

 

http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/

 

73s Tracey G5VU

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:06 AM

Subject: LF: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation

Dear all LFs

 

With the WRC-12 new LF band allocation is it possible that any dormant NDBs there will be resurrected to justify their slot in the band?

 

73s

 

Ken

 

M0KHW