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AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna

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Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna
From: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:06 +0100
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Hi Rik!
Tnx for your explanations. So, perhaps my RX SNR could even be increased by 
more attenuation, that would be fine.
I thought the most of us using a separate RX antenna, like the PA0RDT design or 
a receiving loop. But now it sounds, that some are using the TX ant? 
Another question: If you say that there has just to be a little difference in 
the noise between connected and disconnected antenna, I think you mean, that 
the difference has to be as small as possible? Because, the case that there is 
a difference, occurs at all attenuation levels from 0 dB to a maximum, say 
60db. So 0 dB would also fulfill this statement, of course. But if the 
difference should be as small as possible, what about the internal noise of the 
RX system? Is the part of this internal noise in that case not to much 
relevant? Or in other words, doesn't it decrease the SNR, if the part of the 
received signal is small compared to the RX-internal noise? I thought, the 
level of the received signal should be as HIGH as possible, so that the input 
stage is just not overdriven!?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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[mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe
Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 15:23
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Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna

Hello Stefan,

there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not:
Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the  
antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna  
then attenuation is not too much.
With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could  
add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when  
connecting the antenna.
I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value.
Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440  
that seems to be sensitive at LF.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



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