Re: LF: Re: Black Sheep

[John Gould <johngould88@googlemail.com>]

Stefan,

Sorry that you weren't able to vote - very odd - not had that reported before.

Of course I will understand that there will be some that either can't vote, like you, or won't vote (for a variety of reasons) and this goes both ways.  

I don't really want to administer two groups, especially this one as it's cumbersome to do, but equally I am not keen to effectively take away a facility that a few people use really effectively.  I have to admit that I can't understand what the fuss is about and moreso the poor behaviour by a few; it's just doesn't match with the ethos of amateur radio.

I am somewhat swayed by the suggestion that this list could be used for QSO related posts, a bit like the Cluster, and leave the more technical discussion to the Yahoo! Group list where one has the additional facilities.  Short-term information of this sort isn't wanted by everyone and doesn't need to be searched after the event, so having two lists for the different functions has some logic.

Stefan,  I'll try and do the right thing - hopefully, some clarity will come when the emotion runs its course.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 16:22, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the "members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group, although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party (in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:

Stefan,

I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.  

I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.  

73 John, G3WKL

On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

Hi Clive, LF,

For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate in this process.

My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:

If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting period ends.