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Re: LF: Keyboard Modes for 600 Meters

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Subject: Re: LF: Keyboard Modes for 600 Meters
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:58:02 +0100
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I think you will find , olivia runs more than one tone at any one time and produces a 'two tone test' envelope , simple check, view the sound card o/p on a scope ? I had a conversation with Simon (dm780) at the hf convention last year, you can use none linear, but at the expense of s/n ratio and side band splatter .. the ultra low conduction angle D and E set-ups can be observed to generate 'gray noise' close in when handling pseudo linear transmissions , I assume as they loose 'phase linearity' due to the abrupt change of sate ? the systems look to be defined in terms of 'stats' ie side band / noise levels as maximum predicted levels, which presumably are deemed acceptable when pulse shaping data streams ... may not be ideal for close in analogue work ?
There is defiantly a play off between data transmissions generated by
conventional analogue mixing / amplification and digital systems in
terms of close in noise, but as to the effect on the readability / decode of
the signal, ive not had the chance to compare , though interestingly, the
JT65 test on 500 , showed the K1JT software to give a constant +3 dB
improvement in the reported s/n over multipsk (at the time) , I was
sending the two systems on alternate time slots, via the same soundcard
through the same transmitter path , AWE64 isa sound card ,Racal MA1723
exciter and 20 Watt Class A solid state Racal 24v drive amplifier, ALC was
As to the reason, I can only assume there was/is some compromise in the
generation code ?
G ..

From: "John Andrews" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Keyboard Modes for 600 Meters

Dear ++ (Graham), <g>

I think that Olivia uses sequential FSK, not simultaneous tones. I don't believe that Jay and I evaluated any simultaneous systems. We did use linear PA's during the tests, but that was more for convenience in switching back and forth between PSK and FSK systems. The claim is generally made that the various FSK modes do not require amplitude linearity. It would make an interesting experiment to compare bandwidths and perhaps audible keying artifacts between linear and switching amps while driving the fairly high Q antennas we use at LF and MF. I'm always amazed at how click-free the hard-keyed CW signals are down here.
John A.

Graham wrote:
Interesting list of modes and tests ,

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