Hi Marcus, Stefan, All,
Some kind of "WSPR8" (8 minutes wspr sequence) could indeed be tested
by generating the WSPR8 signal (what is easy as WSPR is fully
documented) and accelerate the recorded signal 4 times before feeding
it into the WSPR software. But this method requires to reduce the
WSPR8 bandwidth (frequency spacing between the tones) also by a
factor
of 4, from 6Hz to 1.5Hz.
If you look at WSPR as an FM signal, the WSPR8 signal created that
way will have the same modulation index as the original WSPR(2)
signal, while a WSPR8 signal at the "old" 6Hz bandwidth would have a
4
times larger modulation index. And the modulation index affects the
SNR. Thus the suggested method might not fully exploit the
possibilities of WSPR8 (at unchanged bandwidth).
BTW: the results of the SNR performance test are still available at
http://on7yd.strobbe.eu [1]/QRSS/ [1].
73, Rik ON7YD
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ONDERWERP: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: slow WSPR?
Hi Stefan, LF,
if I remember correctly, Rik's careful evaluaton of SNR performance
in February resulted in a threshold for reliable decoding of -23 dB
for Opera-2, versus -29 dB for WSPR. This is carrier power versus
noise in 2.5 kHz, Opera "average power" reports are scaled 4 dB
lower.
Thus at same available ERP, WSPR would indeed have a 4x advantage in
speed, and be equivalent to Opera-8. WSPR also transmits slightly
more
information, ie. locator field and power.
Rik also looked at QRSS and DFCW, which at 100 % readability seemed
to provide same or slightly higher throughput than Opera (with some
depence on callsign length and viewing skills).
Technically it would be straightforward to generate a slow WSPR
transmission, and also certainly feasible to play back an accelerated
recording. You'd have to get the timing right to fit to the 2-minute
slots, and the web reports would probably show wrong frequencies,
times and SNR. As Roger says, asking Joe Taylor for a modified
version
would be a better permanent solution.
But whether slow or fast, it' still a digital mode, containing a
blackbox producing either valid output or nothing at all. If you are
after detection of the weakest possible signals, in my opinion the
visual modes or even a straight carrier transmission will be the only
way to see those "T" and "M" traces, along with the features of the
noise or QRM which we are trying to overcome.
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
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Verschickt: Di, 11 Sept 2012 1:14 am
Betreff: LF: slow WSPR?
It's a pity that there is no slow-WSPR, e.g. needing 32 minutes or
so.
If WSPR (2 minutes FSK) is about as efficient as OP8 ( i heared so),
then it should be a real alternative to the slow DX modes on LF but
not
on MF!
There is a software that plays recorded audio files in a faster mode,
so
that QRSS becomes audible. VE2IQ has reported to me last year about
it
but i don't remember the name.
Would it be possible to make our own slow WSPR by using that software
and playing a 32 minute manipulated WSPR at 16x speed, feeding it to
the
normal WSPR rx software? The slower code could be generated outside
the
program. Would that be a useful test or do i miss something?
73, Stefan/DK7FC
Am 10.09.2012 19:26, schrieb Graham:
May be Mal
But once again Jim has the answer to this problem ..if you can
find his articles after Google trashed the uk500khz news group ,
I think Jose R predicts a 6 dB gain by changing to PSK from
the Opera on/off keying but that would prevent most of the
LH/MF usage
G..
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