I am not the only one that has expressed an opinion about a proper ID
procedure on LF. Address your remarks to all concerned also stick to the
subject, we are not discussing rubber stamp QSO'S. Have you heard a QSO
taking place with each station using single Letter Callsigns ? then the
guessing game via emails Who was that sending an X , W or a P
Any fool can transmit a machine generated bandslip Beacon but a two way hand
send morse QSO requires SKILL
Beacons used on a narrow band like LF are but unattended QRM generators
interfering with those trying to engage in two way communications.
I cannot say that I have heard you on LF or MF so curious why you are so
interested in what is going on ????
g3kev
----- Original Message -----
From: "g4gvw" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Full ID
> Mal,
>
> For many of us who, while licensed radio amateurs, are mainly interested
> in the behaviour of the spectrum and the medium via which signals are
> propagated, beacons at UHF, VHF, HF, MF, LF et. al. have for many years
> been a perfectly acceptable and legitimate resource. We don't need to
> dictate an ID protocol to those generous of their time who provide them.
> All we need to know (ideally in advance) is how to identify the resource
> and its location together with a few technical details. At that point
> most of us are possessed of enough innate and inherent wit to engage our
> grey matter and draw such conclusions as may be appropriate. These
> skills are often of more import than the need to achieve a highly
> regulated and often "rubber-stamped" exchange whose main aim seems to
> require that some variety of "points-table" is constantly updated with
> an increasing number!
>
> I wish for Christmas SANITY - and Please May It extend THROUGHOUT 2011
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 18:10 +0000, mal hamilton wrote:
> > We do not need Beacons on LF this is the problem also why do Appliance
> > Operators on LF need to deviate from the procedures used on all the
other
> > amateur bands, who ever heard of single letter Beacons on HF, in fact
Beacon
> > operators on HF need special permission.
> > Radio Operators on the other hand in QSO mode on any band do not have
this
> > problem
> > g3kev
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Full ID
> >
> >
> > > I Suggested a timed beacon system, a long time ago , similar to
the
> > > g3plx 5 meg monitoring system , where stations simply took an
> > available
> > > time slot and transmitted a long pulse ... monitoring software
then
> > > simply looked in the slots and gave a real time s/n reading ,
also
> > > enabled stations could be in rx mode during there 'off' period
....
> > >
> > > Then wspr appeared .......game over ..or is it ...
> > >
> > > So what about a timed beacon system that uses allocated time slots
and
> > > the monitoring system keeps track or who is using which slot ..
> > > what a strange idea .. but for LF may have big advantages
> > >
> > > All on the same frequency -so no problem with Ae Q / B/W leaving
> > the
> > > band open for other modes
> > > NO need for silly long tx periods , melting station accessories
> > > ONLY needs rudimental time lock
> > >
> > > OH and one little oversight .. all you need is a -CW-
transmitter ,
> > > no frequency shift keying , no audio to rf translation ,
> > >
> > > Down side . needs some one to write the control software
........in
> > fact
> > > Andy , ran the basic idea on 500 for quite a while , using -one-
of
> > > the three time slots of the g3plx system, with Gary providing a
> > off-air
> > > on line monitor 200 miles north
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Chris" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:20 AM
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Full ID
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rik,
> > > > The idea is fine. But, the problems I have with this are (1)
Stations
> > > > don't always notify us who they are and what they are up to (Mike,
> > G3XDV,
> > > > is a perfect example of how it should be done, keeping us FULLY
> > informed),
> > > > and (2) is where I agree with Stefan, what about listeners (lookers)
who
> > > > are not on this refelector? Two letters are of little use to them. I
> > know
> > > > two stations near me who look on 137 but are not on here - for
various
> > > > reasons.
> > > > You just can't beat a full callsign, even if you do sometimes only
get
> > > > snatches of it. As it is, stations are often 'identified' by
frequency
> > > > with very dubious visual evidence!
> > > > Chris, G4AYT.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rik Strobbe" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:04 AM
> > > > Subject: LF: RE: Full ID
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Mike, all,
> > > >
> > > > for propagation test purposes (sound much better than beaconing) all
we
> > > > need is an unambiguous identification. A single character will lead
to
> > > > confusion, but 2 characters should do the job.
> > > > So what about using the 2 last characters of the callsign ?
> > > > That would make most ID's more or less of the same length.
> > > > G3XDV would use "DV", OR7T would use "7T", DF6NM would use "NM" and
so
> > on.
> > > > I cannot see any conflicts right now (= 2 stations active in
propagation
> > > > tests with identical 2 last characters).
> > > > Is national law requires a full id it can always be send in 12WMP
CW.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > Van: [email protected]
> > > > [[email protected]] namens Mike Dennison
> > > > [[email protected]]
> > > > Verzonden: woensdag 22 december 2010 17:52
> > > > Aan: [email protected]
> > > > Onderwerp: LF: Full ID
> > > >
> > > > OK, it seems that most people want full suffixes to be sent. I
> > > > believe I had good reasons to use a short ID, but I am happy to go
> > > > along with the majority view.
> > > >
> > > > Of course the final straw was Mal threatening not to talk to me!
> > > >
> > > > Beacon tonight (in addition to, and not instead of, real QSOs) will
> > > > be on 136.177kHz, 'XDV' synchronised with the start of each hour.
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Mike
> > > > ========
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> --
> 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> qth nr felixstowe uk
> (east coast, county of suffolk)
>
>
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