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Re: LF: Re: QRSS OP WSPR

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS OP WSPR
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:07:33 +0100
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 OP4 had a number of misses
 
 
Which  , if you  take  into  account  , Opera  is  single  tone   on/off    with  app  50% duty cycle  , self  sync  mode
and   wspr  is  a   4 mfsk    externally  time  locked
 
For the  test to  be  valid , the  wspr  carrier  level  would  of  needed  to  be  50% less  that  of the  Opera  system
 
However as the  2  modes  decoded  at  a  high % of times , with a  50% bias  , then  the  conclusion   tends to the 
inverse of the  results ,
 
That  is  not  making  suitable  allowances  for  the  spreading  gain  of  4 mfsk   and the  external   time  synch , both  of  which
reduce the  payload  on the  transmission format , which would  tend to  indicate  a  higher efficiency in the  design concept
of the Op mode in areas other  than the  modulation
 
If  a normal  2  tone  rtty  is  slowed  to  the  same  baud  rate  as  wspr-2  it falls   short  by  only  6 dB in terms  of
sensitivity and that  requires  no  external  time  locking .
 
Bench testing  and  reality seldom agree  , however  it  helps  if  the  tests are  actually   correctly designed  and fit  for  purpose
 
 
G,
 
 
 
Mr Pixel
 
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: LF: Re: QRSS OP WSPR

Stefan
 
WSPR2 vs. OP4 http://www.w1vd.com/WSPROP4082312A.pdf . Basically, where WSPR2 showed solid copy OP4 had a number of misses.
 
Test conditions:
 
Transmit end: single transmitter, single antenna - signals combined in common TX setup
 
Receive end: single receive antenna, single receiver, single computer/sound card - WSPR and OP running simultaneously
 
Power at TX end adjusted to provide weak signal at receive end. Standard weak signal receive setup was used ... complete with QRN, QRM, other signals etc. Test began during daylight, proceded through the night and ended in daylight.    
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2  WG2XRS/2
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: LF: QRSS OP WSPR

Bob,

For QRSS reception on 4000m, better ask G4WGT or F5WK or F6CNI for a preferred frequency. Ort maybe TF3HZ? He is reading the reflector as well. At least i saw the flag from Iceland on the flagcounter of SC8CS's new grabber which was announced here :-))

BTW, regarding OP65, Jay/W1VD recently did some tests comparing OP4 and WSPR-2. The summary was something like "WSPR-2 is as "sensitive" as OP8" !!. Correct me Jay. That means, instead transmitting OP65, you could use WSPR-15 instead and may have 4 times higher probabbility to get a decode, e.g. if there is just a short propagation window like on 137 kHz.

73, Stefan

Am 27.09.2013 15:55, schrieb Bob Raide:
Stefan;
It is same here.  But you can't do everything-transmit and receive at same time no go. 
I have a similar PC got from neighbor last season a Samsung less than two years old.  Big difference from little ACER PC!
I think I am going to stick with QRSS 60 for anymore 73 kHz work.  What freq might be best for UK/Euro work?  I understand that 72.4 is not good in UK/Europe.  Seems that 74.5-74.6 seems best from comments I am getting?
Any suggestions appreciated-Bob
 
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