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Re: LF: Opera continuous changes

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Subject: Re: LF: Opera continuous changes
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:03:46 -0000
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Yes  that  was the thinking  , s/n is not  everything in this situation , 
rn3agc  second   OP50  did seem  to  give  negative result to  OP32  , but 
tonight , OP8  is  decoding  in the uk  quite  early . 3 db is  about  right 
for the  x2  time , but that against a  constant  noise  source, which  is 
'now  looking a little  controversial, with the  level/quantity  of 
decodes.
We did  see one  missed decode  in 4x4 , but with the  50/60  min  period 
and nothing to  show ... 32  is  back.
I'm  not  sure  on the  2:1  ratio  for the  Hf bands at the  moment , but 
beacon  collisions  are reducing  the  decode  rate  with the  longer  1:4 
time  select , but  as perhaps hf  path  losses  are not as high  , then the 
reduction  in collisions is  preferable to  allowing  a 6  dB  gain  ,  1 
watt to  4  say  as opposed  to  LF where 6 dB could be  300  to  1200  w ,
G..


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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:14 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: Opera continuous changes

yes, 50 mins is somewhat long.  But the 16s symbol period is, to a
first approximation,  3dB more sensitive than the 8s of OP32

Andy


On 17 January 2012 21:06, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
All  seismic  activity  has  aftershocks ..

It was felt the Op50 /64 was perhaps too long a capture period for
136Khz
with max 33% data loss this was still 40mins , which , was possibly
a little  too  long.

OP32  , will  reduce to  20  mins capture  window and is  perhaps more
realistic?

Any views  on this would be  appreciated

Tnx G..



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From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:12 AM
To: "o_p_e_r_a_" <O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com>;
<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: LF: Opera continuous changes

Just after I'd spent yesterday morning reprogramming the PIC code,
re-writing the documentation and uploading to website for general
access, the coding has been changed again.

That's it. I'm not changing again until something has stabilised.
The version posted only yesterday will now be removed, and not
replaced for the time being.
If you want an independent PIC based source, you're on your own

If fundamental changes are going to me made like this, please at least
warn us in advance.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com


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