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Re: LF: Opera continuous changes

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Subject: Re: LF: Opera continuous changes
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:25:34 -0000
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Thanks'  Jim

Looking at the spec-plots for long haul DX on 136 , the peak signal levels do not appear to support the full call sign when using the very long qrss periods , the ref is often pinged with post asking as to who xx is or zyz etc , so it followed that to capture a full call using OP , then a decode capability , matching these, xx zyz times would present a viable alternative ?
To decode  over  longer  periods would  require a  signal over the 
threshold  for  66% of the  transmission ? ...  however ...
Tnx G.



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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:58 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: Opera continuous changes

Dear Graham, LF Group,


It was felt the Op50 /64 was perhaps too long a capture period for 136Khz with max 33% data loss this was still 40mins , which , was possibly
a little  too  long.

OP32 , will reduce to 20 mins capture window and is perhaps more realistic?
As currently implemented, Opera is purely a beacon mode; as far as I am 
aware, it transmits only the station ID. It is quite normal to transmit 
beacon signals using QRSS60 or even slower signalling. At 60s per dot, it 
takes of the order of 60 minutes to transmit a typical callsign, so quite 
a similar rate to "Op50" or "Op64".  Most people run their beacon 
transmitters and/or receivers for hours at a time. If complete station IDs 
with some sort of signal level assesment can be obtained within that 
period, I guess most would think one such detection per hour is a 
satisfactory result and slowness would not be a problem. A very slow 
beacon signal, accompanied with the information that the SNR is only just 
adequate for decoding, or good enough to try a faster mode, is certainly 
more useful than a faster mode that can't be detected!
For a communications mode, it would be pointlessly slow of course. But 
with beacon signals we are often trying simply to see if anything can be 
detected at all with the combination of radiated power, propagation path 
and RX noise level that is available, and if so, how much. I'm sure if 
there were Op128 or Op256 modes, people would be happy to try using them 
too... A nice feature of the current Opera is that the receiver can detect 
signals at whichever speed happens to be in use, so there is nothing to 
stop people altering their transmission mode to see what will work, 
without having to re-arrange the test.
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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