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Re: LF: Re: CW sked on 137 friday morning?

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW sked on 137 friday morning?
From: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:51:10 +0200
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Hello Minto,

Am 05.08.2011 23:59, schrieb Minto Witteveen:
Stefan (et al),
I did listen this morning on 136.8 to see if I could copy you or any other station, but the results were disappointing: I heard nothing.
Thanks for trying anyway.
Well, i was in QSO mit PA0A who must be close to you, so something must be wrong...
I have an FT817 and an FT879 as possible receivers. Both are not known for their superb receive quality but with a 5 pole filter + additional amplification I got them to work quite reasonable on 500 KHz. Both rigs are very bad on LF. Very insensitive and prone to heavy intermodulation, especially at night. So this weekend I build a quick-and-dirty 4 MHz uptransverter with a SA612. The Yeasu’s are much more sensitive at these frequencies. To keep strong LF and MF stations from causing intermodulation had to add 7-pole Chebishev filter between a PA0RDT miniwhip and the transverter. For details see: http://www.pa3bca.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=17
Looks good, that page.
This morning (when there was almost no man-made QRM form TV’s etc) DCF39 was S9+30dB on the 897. On (4000+) 136.8 the noise was S 5 with the 2.4 KHz SSB filter, and S1 with the 500 Hz filter. Now I know that the FT’s S-meter is not very reliable, especially from S1-S9. But between S9 and S9+40 it is “reasonably” accurate.
If you use SpecLab for receiving, you directly get the signal level in dB (i.e. dB below full scale of the ADC). Then you can measure the DCF39 level and the noise floor level. Meanwhile i am getting DCF39 at 80 dB above noise in 488 mHz with the RX loop.
As far as I could find out DCF39 generates 50 KW ERP. If Stefan generates 0.5 Watt ERP (My guestimate)
Should be a few dB more ;-)
and the distance to my QTH is approximately the same, I would expect Stefan to be 50 dB weaker. But 50 dB below DCF39 would still be above the noise floor? So why didn’t I hear him (or for that matter, PA0A who is closer and has 1 Watt ERP).
Maybe the S meter is worse than you think, maybe.
Before I finish my 1 kW TX I first have to make sure that I will be able to copy any other station.... :-)
I had the same problems. But i immediately received DF6NM audible. So if you don't even receive PA0A, there seems to be lack of sensitivity. What happens with the noise floor if you disconnect the PA0RDT? How many dB does the noise floor decrease?
Can you do /p tests?

Don't expect to much activity on LF. But there are new stations coming on the band and you could be one of them and help making the band alie again.

CU there :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


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