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Re: LF: Re: CW sked on 137 friday morning?

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW sked on 137 friday morning?
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:02:22 +0200
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Hi Minto,
 
you could overcome the dynamic range limitation of the measurement by using an attenuator for the signal measurement.
 1. tune to the center of the LF band, with DCF39 outside the passband. Turn up the gain control as much as needed. Read the noise level in SpecLab.
 2. tune to 138.83 kHz. Insert a 40 dB attenuator but don't change the gain. Read only the signal level (and ignore the noise). 
To obtain DCF39 SNR, simply subtract noise level (1) from signal level (2), and add 40 dB.
 
In my location at 320 km from Magdeburg, DCF39 is normally about 3 mV/m (70 dBuV/m). The best-case band noise has been down to about 0.06 uV/m in 1 Hz (-25 dBuV/m/sqrtHz). Thus SNR can be up to 95 dB in 1 Hz here.
 
DCF39 is said to have 40 kW EMRP. Thus a 1 W ERP amateur station at the same distance would be 49 dB weaker.
Best 73,.
Markus (DF6NM)
 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: CW sked on 137 friday morning?

Hi Stefan,

Let me try to explain a bit better what I have done. When I disable the AGC of the FT897 I need to dial-down the manual AGC in order to avoid overloading the IF AND the AF sections when tuned to DCF39. (If I don’t  DCF39 sounds horribly distorted). With this setting I measure the LF output of the 879 with Speclab.
With the same manual AGC setting I tune to say 137.700 and measure the LF output again with Speclab. But because the manual AGC is dialed down significantly the band noise ‘drops through’ the noise floor of the FT897. So this method is unusable to determine the strenght of DCF39 w.r.t. to the noise.

If I dial up the AGC (or set it on auto again) the noise floor increases with about 10 dB when I connect the antenna, I think this should be enough..

By the way, this moment I can not only see your CQ with Speclab, but with headphones I can even hear you.

Regards,
Minto pa3bca

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