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Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq....

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Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq....
From: "mal hamilton" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0000
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The facts speak for themselves not my doing, there  were over 30 countries active on 137 a few yeas ago, now three or four hardly encouraging.
All the recent hype by a few about getting on 9 Kcs, where are they now, since several permits have been issued.
I have a 500 metre inv L antenna  system installed and resonated on 9 Kcs looking for acty on CW or QRS but stress NOT looking for QRS 600 - 6000 atomic clock signals ctl.  I want to see someone transmitting that has put some effort into putting out a signal that can be copied a few hundred miles away.
If there is enough acty I would consider transmitting a signal that meets the above criteria.
Who at present has the capability of receiving such signals in the UK. When can I expect some acty from you?
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq....

Mal,

As always, you paint a negative view of life on LF.

You may be right about LF activity levels, but it is for us all to encourage others, not put them off, and there is a place for CW, WSPR, QRSS and ROS etc on the LF bands.

Experimenting on MF, LF and VLF, albeit very simply, has been a wonderful learning experience for me and the good old days are still very much here with plenty to explore and discover. 

Be happy - life is too short to be always miserable!

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 14 November 2010 14:08, mal hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
Jay
Another point which is different from some years back.
The numbers are not there anymore, and what does exist is spread across the bands 9, 137, 500 Kcs for example 2 ops active on 9 kcs at times, 3 or 4 on 137 kcs and 500 kcs hardly used, only heard 2 stns today testing and went away. Then  there is mode diversity dividing the acty between WSPR and CW
and most SWL'S are not interested in WSPR.
The good days on the lower frequencies are gone, definitely not attracting new comers, the numbers speak for themselves.
I must say the other mf band 160 metres is vy active world wide with CW acty
73 de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq....

Markus, Group
 
Since my name was mentioned I'll make a quick post. 
 
We may have a chicken and egg situation here. Up until several years ago I routinely monitored and reported on EU activity on LF ... that is until EU stations moved en masse to the US T/A window. It is simply impossible to receive weak signals from EU while BIG US stations are on the air. One is reduced to looking for crumbs of weak signals between long callsigns strings. Worse yet, set up for overnight captures because no US stations are active only to wake up to a screen full of US stations that got a late start. I gave up.
 
Now there's talk of merging the EU and US 500 kHz WSPR windows. Providing spots last winter, especially for low power EU stations, was an interesting and challenging pursuit. But it won't be if the majority of WSPR time slots are clobbered by strong local groundwave signals.
 
Don't change anything on my account ... there's plenty of other interesting things to do on VLF, LF and MF! 
 
Jay  
 
       
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq....

Dear Mike,
 
first of all, let me say that your signal has never created any problem here, and I appreciate your careful choice of operating techniques to mitigate potential interference. As far as I could see, there were only very few occasions, when spectrograms in Holland and France where being desensitized when you and XGJ were on simultaneously. But on the other hand, I think I would have a problem if I lived much closer to you.
 
I also completely understand your point about the lack of feedback from grabbers operating in the designated Eu slot. In the past, we were rewarded by excellent captures, for example from Jay and Laurence. In my opinion, the point of the story is to motivate every LF grabber operator to include an Eu slot as well.
 
Regarding choice of frequency: If I remember right, we went from the original 135.92 kHz to 136.32, because the latter provided a larger gap between American Loran lines - which is no more an issue now. But recently, CFH's wideband FSK around 137.0 has been reactivated. How much does it affect stateside reception on 136.32? If they continue, we may consider to bring the slot back to the bottom end. 
 
Kind regards,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: LF: Eu QRSS freq. Was 'XDV QRSS60 137k'

Hartmut,

You are right. In the past I have strongly argued that Eu beacons
should be in that part of the band. However, the reality is that no-
one is listening there (apart from a couple of Eu grabbers). There
are grabbers in Alaska, Western Canada, Japan and Eastern Russia but
not one covers the 136.320kHz sub-band.

That sub-band was originally created when there were many Eu (mostly
UK) stations chasing QSOs and reports from the east coast of America -
 there were even several Canadians capable of two-way QSOs. The idea
of the split frequency was that these QSOs should not cause QRM to
each other. Now there are very few Eu stations interested in DX
working, and seemingly no east coast American stations routinely
monitoring. 

I try not to QRM those Eu stations who are monitoring for US and
Russian beacons. This is achieved by not beaconing every day, and by
not beaconing continuously (which is why I synchronise each
transmission with the start of each hour). My frequency is much lower
than most US and Russian beacons. I have also announced that if my
transmissions cause anyone any problems, I will close down. In
practice, unless the receiving station is within about 150km of me
there is little chance of real QRM - last night EW6GB was fully
readable just 0.2Hz HF of me on the grabbers of DF6NM and OE3GHB.

There is still a use for the Eu DX sub-band during two-way DX QSOs,
or tests involving lots of activity. I will be the first to use it
again if any DX stations are prepared to monitor it.

Does anyone else have a view on this?

Mike, G3XDV
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