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Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz

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Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz
From: Jacek Lipkowski <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:41:35 +0100 (CET)
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Stefan Schäfer wrote:

Well, perhaps it is not necessary to reach a "DX", DX becomes very relative in that frequency range. 50km sounds like a really good DX here.

50km would be real dx, because this is not near-field anymore.

it is interesting to compare this with the other end of the spectrum. the microwavers are having great fun trying to span 200m.

But what about that WSPR mode, everyone was using before some weeks? Wouldn't that be a nice tool to try what's possible, for a first step?

qrss cw is much easier to generate (eg. via a microcontroller) and doesn't need a linear PA. the whole setup is much easier do debug.

If 750m is possible with 2W TX power and 4m*14m loop then it should be possible to reach some km with a grounded dipole of abt 2x500m.

for the 750m test i used a different antenna. but i did reach 930m with 40W and a 4x14m vertical loop.

a ground dipole should be great, especially if you live in an area with low ground conductivity - the "loop" area gets larger this way

the biggest problems in getting your signal out, apart from the antenna size, is getting an electromagnetically quiet location.

in my expierience in a noisy city location, with a 1.5x2.5m vertical 3-turn loop on a balcony, with 40W and qrss3:

100m - easy, i can hear the beacon by ear, even when it's 9kHz

300m - easy copy with spectrum lab

450m - still fine copy

550m - very weak signal, marginal copy

the near field falls with the third power of distance, so it is hard to get much further. this is a very practical setup, if you can find someone 500m away from you to experiment.

Important is the achieved fascination, isn't it? What would you feel if you would get a contact in QRSS10 to your next VLF interested neighbour, say in 20km? I expect the biggest problem on VLF is to find a person who is fascinated in the same manner than one self ;-) I do not know someone in a radius of 50km who is interested :-( But i will discuss it in our club...

the next person who i know is very interested lives 220km from me :) it's a problem to find someone interested in 136kHz, so finding vlf entusiasts in your area might be a problem.

BTW, why exactly choosing 8,79 kHz (Horst?)?, why not 8,9 kHz?

going lower in frequency avoids problems with key clicks and oscillator drift going past the 9kHz barrier

We all have a great hobby, really!

i'll drink to that! :)

VY 73

Jacek / SQ5BPF

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