Hi All,
I think Mal was very nearly there with a solution to thse
problems(?) in suggesting operation after midnight (or similar).
There might be merit in accepting that all of the experimental modes
AND the established modes are valid for the purposes of
"experimentation". Acceptance of this together with a voluntary
"bandplan" that was as much TIME based as mode/frequency based could
be a sensible way forward. "TIME" slots could rotate to allow
people to "experiment" at different periods of the 24 hour cycle
with certain periods set aside as "free-for-all". One would,
therefore, also be allowing for experimentation under current
conditions for those wishing to determine the QRM-busting (or
otherwise) qualities of the various modes. A "Battle-Royal" is not
the most adult way to start off a new year and neither is it a
scientific method that would impress Ofcom or any other body of
professionals.
My "threepennerth" for what it's worth (hopefully more than 3 pence
worth despite our blighted currency hi hi)
73 de Pat G4GVW
-----Original Message-----
From: M0FMT <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:44
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
Here Here Mal
I wonder how many of these "Hi Tech" mode stations live within line
of sight of another station then I think this BW hungry spread
spectrum stuff would be a nightmare to that local station?
Especially running as an inane beacon which undoubtedly will f
ollow.
I have two 600m stations with in 8miles line of sight and another
13miles over open country from me their CW is phenominally strong, a
signal like Olivia 8/250 would obliorate the band for me. And for
what?
I asked for Morse on/off keying and very narrow FSK in my NoV
application. Did I miss something, like asking to use DSB? Its a 3
kc/s alloction for CS!
Mal you've got my vote and probably the Vote of the silent majority
on the Band.
End of RANT!!
73es HNY to all LF petefmt
--- On Sun, 4/1/09, mal hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
From: mal hamilton <[email protected]>
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 10:10 AM
No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back
to get him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all that I am saying is that to
date all modes considered there has has been no improvement over
normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal
transfer between stations.
I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not
swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This past
couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been
occupied by olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running
parallel, this I do object to especially when I was having a QSO
with G3XIZ and almost swamped o
ut, however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think
XIZ and his experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data
transmission or any other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would
be acceptable most of the time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to
use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.
This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt
of private emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I
also get a few that disagree.
As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I
frequently reply to requests for advice with all aspects of LF and
MF projects.
I also get help, recently as a result of a discussion about preamps
two other amateurs reading the mail sent me the required chips at
no cost and likewise I do the same thing.
Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their point in a
civilised manner but you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE
some get when their opinin differs from others. They lose ther plot
go off at a tangent and start attacking the individual putting
forward a point of view.
I am not against black boxes for certain applications and have used
them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards
with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS operations
GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several years int
o Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on
HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and
Amtor/pactor on HF.
This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access
for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box is ideal for the mass
transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240
Mal,
I admit, not nearly as many as you.
But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they
don’t do it your way it isn’t correct.
I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don’t you think?
I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good
advice, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,
why?
Gary – G4WGT.
From: owner- [email protected] [mailto:owner-
[email protected] ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: [email protected]
Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240
29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score.
g3kev
----- Original=2
0Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240
LF,
Oh my god, he’s doing it on 136KHz now !!!
Gary - G4WGT.
From: [email protected] [mailto:owner-
[email protected] ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: QRS 240
Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot
!!!.Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is
no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at
qrs 1
g3kev
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