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Re: LF: Loading Coils

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Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils
From: WE0H Mike <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:12:39 -0600
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I was working on a Cisco router yesterday and found a bad surface mount ferrite. I asked the other guy in my department if he could look on a parts board for a ferrite bead and he returned later to say there isn't any on the other boards. I said hmmm, let me look. Sure enough it wasn't labeled FB whatever but Z1 or something and I had to explain to him that in radio talk that Z means impedance and ferrite beads are a resistance to RF hence the Z labeling. I guess us amateur radio operators have an edge against the new people coming out of college thinking they know lots about electronics. Oh well...

Mike

James Moritz wrote:
Dear Andy, LF Group,

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From: Andy <>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils

  
I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was
surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor.
It must be a dying art !
      


  
Its not just young electronics engineers who know nothing about inductors.
    
I
  
work with a number of middle aged ones (well, 30 - 50 anyway) who also
    
know
  
next to nothing about inductors, wire antennas, or even radio
    
communications.

Actually, there is quite a lot of interest in academic and engineering
circles about inductor Q at the moment - but this is about inductors on
ICs - little planar spirals of several nH that occupy quite a lot of space
on most "system on a chip" ICs containing RF transceivers for "Bluetooth",
"WiFi" and so on. A state-of-the-art Q for one of these is about 5 - 10 ...
even with lousy Q like this, circuit designers find they can't live without
them for amplifiers and oscillators and the like, despite spending half a
century inventing circuits to try and get rid of inductors!

  
some graduates can't even apply ohms law to a practical
situation.
    
As someone who occasionally has to help undergraduates do this, I'm afraid I
have to agree. V = I x R they can usually cope with, but I = V/R is a bit
more challenging, involving division as it does ... any mention of kilohms,
microamps etc. and all bets are off!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

  

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