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Re: VLF: SQ5BPF grabber

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Subject: Re: VLF: SQ5BPF grabber
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:30:15 +0200
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Hi Jacek, VLF,

Thanks for the new grabber. It is the most distant one for me now. There are 5 VLF grabbers now, yours is the most distant one for me.
It looks like there is already a faint trace on 6470.005 Hz!! :-)
Your new spectrograms look much better than before i find.
What makes the difference between the view of the vlfrx tools spectrograms relative to the SpecLab spectrograms? Mainly the parameter settings i assume, or does it have to do with Linux as well? I'm not really an expert for spectrograms. I just know that in SpecLab a Hanning window is used. This makes an overlap between the current FFT bin and the neighbour bins, is this right? It smoothes the spectrogram, does it? I know that in SpecLab it is possible to vary the overlap. It is normally set to 75%. When starting a new SpecLab session, e.g. running at 424 uHz, the first pixel/spectrum appears after 1/424uHz ~ 39 minutes. Then the next pixel appears after 10 minutes, 10 minutes is the scroll rate. So this is 1/4 of the FFT window time, so the overlap is 75%, because the next window has just 25% of new informations, the rest must be from the last pixel. This is my understanding, hopefully it is correct :-) Ah and then there is a function (in SL) called "optimal waterfal average". I think this makes only sense when the scroll rate is much lower than 1/4 of the FFT window time.
On my grabbers is use for LF
QRSS-3    366 mHz     500ms
QRSS-10    122 mHz    1667 ms
QRSS-60    22 mHz    10 s
and for VLF
DFCW-600    3.8 mHz 1 min
DFCW-6000    424 uHz 10 min
DFCW-60000    47 uHz 100 min (or 60 minutes)
DFCW-600000    4.1 uHz 1000 min
I have a 4.1 uHz spectrogram running at 2970 Hz, but after more than a year it is just half filled :-) It still shows my experiments in summer 2016 :-) BTW that means that windows updates are DISABLED!!!

I think a lower FFT bin width e.g. ~ 47 uHz could be a better choice between us.

Just some informations to think about.

Some day i like to produce spectrograms by vlfrx tools as well but i'm learning slowly. BTW since a few days, my tree grabber is using vlfrx tools (just vtcard and vtvorbis) to do the streaming on MF and VLF. It works very well! The quality somehow seems to be a bit higher even.

73, Stefan



Am 02.10.2017 22:02, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski:
Stefan, thanks for the carrier, this helped me improve my grabber a bit.

i've changed the time range in my grabber to 7 days, so that you can compare with your previous carrier, and also added a "normalised" spectrogram:

https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/klubnl-pl-grabbers/grabber-4-8270hz/

in the normalised spectrogram the average of relative powers for each timeperiod are normalised to a constant value. so this is something similar to AGC, taking care of day/night noise variations. i think Paul does something similat, because his spectrogram doesn't show differences in day/night noisefloor.

the S/N isn't great, but this is from a simple e-field antenna in the middle of the city.

i've also added a 6470Hz grabber for your next tests (and will add 5170Hz and normalized graphs in the future):

https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/klubnl-pl-grabbers/grabber-sq5bpf-6470hz/

VY 73

Jacek / SQ5BPF

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