Hi Joe plaese be sending the cats bank account numbre and sort cod e so we
may pay his inheritance :-))
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA frequency
Hi Markus (and thank-you to Chris, Urlich, Iban and Graham for
reports/relays)
Your critiques of my signals are very thorough and masterful. I am
most grateful. There is a concensus amongst you, Domenico and Stefan
that I've gone off frequency again, at times more than 1 mHz!
Hopefully this will be corrected soon. I'll post your nice plots
on the web if you don't mind.
In the mean time, I ran Paul's ebbaut.c on the MUN unix box and
an old Model B raspi. It compiled flawlessly. I had to put in
arguments for -S and -r which I chose at random, my callsign and
pussycat's name and was rewarded with a long list of 0's and 1's.
So if I send a long carrier with a phase inversion every time a 1
is encountered, it will be a valid ebnaut transmission? What is
the duration of the elements and what arguments should I pass to
ebnaut.c? Also, would a transformer + DPDT relay work? A ring
mixer might not take kindly to a 12V squarewave.
Please excuse my naivety! Also, XYL is wondering why you want the
other details of the cat. She was my ground crew today while I was
atop the tower so I must be diplomatic!
MNI TNX
Joe VO1NA
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015, Markus Vester wrote:
Joe,
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more of the same from last night, this time with frequency and level
plots. Again we see some frequency variation of similar size as yesterday.
It is not clear how much of that is due to propagation, I only think that
the rise near the end is due to Doppler from the descent of the
ionosphere at sunrise. Russian Loran lines on 137475 and 137482.5 seemed
to have less overnight variation (~ 0.1 mHz), but then of course the
intra-European path from Slonim is very different from yours.Â
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Regarding EbNaut carrier analysis:Â for some reason (lack of coffee?), I
only saw Domenico's earlier mail after I had sent mine, so please excuse
me for basically having described the same procedure again. Anyway it's
good that we both arrived at the same conclusion: If Joe started
sending EbNaut PSK with his oscillator as it is now, we would very
likely be able to decode it here.Â
Â
Joe so all you need now is a diode ring-mixer for PSK modulation and
Paul's ebnaut-tx program. Symbol timing will be derived from the PC
clock, so with NTP available there's no need to involve GPS at all. If
Paul brought his LF receiver back to life, he could probably copy you
even if you reduced TX power to 0.1 Deccas.
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How many cats do you have? We want to know names, colours, sex and age
for all of them ;-)
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All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)
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PS. SpecLab question: Wolf is there a way to extract peak frequencies from
past spectrogram lines (semi-)automatically, without having to manuallyÂ
move and read the mouse cursor over each point, e.g. something like a
peak_f(f1,f2, time) interpreter function?
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-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <[email protected]>
An: rsgb_lf_group <[email protected]>
Verschickt: Mi, 11 Nov 2015 1:24 am
Betreff: LF: VO1NA frequency
 Hi Joe,
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the attached plot shows the frequency stability of your opds trace
received last night http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/opds32_151110_0736.pngÂ;
. Each data point is the interpolated peak of a single 438 uHz FFT (i.e.
38 minute window). The average frequency seems to be 0.7 mHz belowÂ
nominal, and there are small temporal variations up to 0.5 mHz in
either direction. Though some of that is probably attributable to
noise and propagation, I believe that there is also a bit of inherent
instability in the frequency source. Actually a few parts per billionÂ
is quite good for a free running OCXO (assuming the "D" stands for
"double oven" and not "discipled"), and that the calibration was done over
a 10 MHz HF link.
Â
Is this good enough for EbNaut? During the experiments with IZ7SLZ we
found that for full sensitivity the phase variation over the EbNautÂ
sequence duration should not be much more than 90°. Thus for a half-hour
message the frequency should be ideally constant and known to about 0.14
mHz. If there is more variation we often can still get decodes, but
we will have to find the best frequency offset by trial and error, which
can be cumbersome if the signal is weak.
Â
I also fed opds data files from your Sat/Sun transmissions to the EbNautÂ
decoder. The idea was to see if your Opera transmissions would actually
produce the all-asterisk decode which is expected for a non-PSK-keyed
straight carrier, and to observe the symbol phase evolution over the 38
minute duration. Starting midnight UT, one decode was attempted every 30
minutes, using a setting for 464 raw symbols (4 characters)Â and 5
seconds per symbol. A frequency offset of -0.6 mHz was selected to
obtain flat phase during the first decodes, and that offset was kept
for all later attempts. Despite the Opera gaps which degrade or drop
half of the available symbols, 12 out of 13 decode attempts produced
the correct "****" message, e.g. http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/r0317.png
. However at times the frequency drift was quite visible on the phase
plot, e.g. in http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/s0317.pngÂ; (flat phase around
3:17) versus http://df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/s0347.pngÂ; (upward phase slope
around 3:47).Â
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Scaling down to VLF, deviations from the same oscillator will be 16x
smaller (~30 uHz at 8.3 kHz). This will be probably good enough even forÂ
narrow FFT bins, corresponding to several hours coherent carrier
integration or slow EbNaut decodes.
Â
All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)
From: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 3:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA opds-32
LF Group,
Again, thanks to SV8RV DF2JP PA7EY and DF6NM for the reports.
In my last post I reported the drift was constrained to within 1 Hz.
This should be 1 mHz. Thanks Markus for your assurances that this
should be adequate for EbNaut which I hope to use to send send our
cat's name on LF. The little curls appear often on the QRSS traces on
your high res spectra. Doppler variations were removed from the 10 MHz
WWV signals with harmonic regression when the DOCXO was calibrated
so this effect is seen on LF but not as strongly.
After reading about EbNaut on Paul Nicholson's pages it seems I have
much catching up ahead. Fasinating stuff!
Can the EbNaut phase inversions be done without an absolute time
reference? I'm cheap and lazy so hoping GPS will not be needed.
The Opera will be doing an encore tonight and if the wind stays low
a tower climbing expedition is planned for the afternoon.
73
Joe VO1NA
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015, Markus Vester wrote:
> Hi Joe, LF,
>
> during the last couple of nights, opds detected all of your
transmissions between about 22Â and 7:30 UT.
>
> Attached is a zoomed 40 mHz section from my opds-32 spectrogram,
showing your central coherent carrier which contains half of the
transmitted average power. It seems to be about 0.5 mHz below 137477 Hz
(possibly due to a calibration error in my receiver). The 2.7 mHz spaced
sidelines during the early part (bottom) were caused by 6-minute-periodic
interruptions from my own MF WSPR transmissions. However the little curls
near the carrier can presumably be attributed to Doppler-shifted
multipath components. The carrier was still weakly visible for another
hour after the last detection.
>
> Comparing the looks of the carrier to earlier IZ7SLZ transmissions,
the stability of the signal and the path seems quite sufficient for
half-hour EbNaut PSK transmissions. Unfortunately I missed the opportunity
to save the raw data and analyze phase evolution using the EbNaut decoder
itself - will try that next time.
>
> All the best,
> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
>
>
> From: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 12:03 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: LF: last night opera opds detection in km07ks
>
>
> LF Group,
>
>
> I am grateful to Joe DF2JP for his captures QRSS and Opera
> Dionysious SV8RV for his OP decodes to Domenico IZ7SLZ
> for his OPDS decodes, and thanks to DF6NM for opds!
>
> I do not know if my DOCXO is stable enough for EbNaut.
> It was set a couple of years ago and has not drifted more than
> 1 Hz since then. It seems the phase decoherence has stopped
> haunting me.
>
> I am hoping to replace the halyard for the other 100m wire soon.
>
> OP32 again tonight as send this email.
>
> 73
> Joe
>
>
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