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Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ
From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:50:15 +0200
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On 23.07.2012, at 21:48, "Graham" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there a  LF  sub culture of inverted CB   'slang' ???
> 
> Mostly the description "crocodile" is used by those who are unable (or
> somehow unwilling) to radiate a decent signal on the band, LF or MF.
> 
> 
> Actual meaning >>  Crocodile is CB slang for someone with a powerful 
> transceiver, who talks but can't hear others.  (poor rx)
> 
> We could  have  fun  inventing  a whole directory
> 
> Broken Canary   ...  Failed Opera  decode
> 
> Tie Clip  ...   Mini-Whip  Ae
> 
> 007   ...     Report from  Moscow
> 
> and so on
> 
> G :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "mal hamilton" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:32 PM
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ
> 
>> I shall remain Silent while you devour each others observations, however
>> G8POC would like me to intervene so that he could ATTACH.
>> He finds it difficult to tell a DIT from a DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe
>> an Alligator
>> g3kev
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stefan Schäfer" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ
>> 
>> 
>> PS: There is no definition that your ears have to be at least as good as
>> your mouth.
>> Especially on LF and MF there are much more RX-only stations who are
>> happy to receive a signal, maybe even in CW. The bigger your mouth, the
>> wider the distance you can reach RX-stations. If i would be a RX-only
>> station on LF, i would be amazed by receiving a signal from e.g. >
>> 3000km. If nothing can be received then i would tend to focus on other
>> bands after some time. And who knows, maybe some of these RX stations
>> become interested to start arranging a TX system as well!
>> On the other side, i am happy to receive signal reports from OMs with
>> big ears. So it is always worth for everyone to do what is possible by
>> the personal limitations, the RX and TX side indenpendently. :-)
>> 
>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 23.07.2012 13:21, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:
>>> Hi Geri,
>>> 
>>> Am 23.07.2012 08:17, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:
>>>> Yes, it's partly due to groundwave/skywave conditions but I am
>>>> already known as the crocodile (big mouth, tiny ears) over here in
>>>> Northern Germany because my signal is 599 all around while I can
>>>> barely hear people.
>>> 
>>> Mostly the description "crocodile" is used by those who are unable (or
>>> somehow unwilling) to radiate a decent signal on the band, LF or MF.
>>> If a poor antenna is used and then just a few 10 watts RF power, then
>>> it may be normal that you cannot hear them, depending on the path and
>>> time and QRN situation. If you have a good antenna and high power then
>>> it is no problem for others to hear you. If those OMs think "i can
>>> hear him but he cannot hear me, so he is a "crocodile"" then this is
>>> not your problem. So maybe you simply have a big mouth and normal ears
>>> but the other station has a small moth and normal ears! :-)
>>> 
>>>> On LF I had optimized my receiving system pretty much but on MF I
>>>> have a high noise floor, probably from household electronics.
>>> Hm, normally this is a stronger problem on LF. But PA7EY has reported
>>> the same, his LF noisefloor is lower...
>>> 
>>>> One solution surely is to put an e-field antenna some 25m away from
>>>> the house into the garden, equally far away from all houses in the
>>>> neighborhood.
>>> Yes this is certainly a good idea. For me this is no option though.
>>> 
>>>> Currently I am using my transmitting umbrella antenna to receive,
>>>> which always proved best on LF but probably needs some re-thinking
>>>> for MF.
>>> My transmit antenna produces a big receive signal level of course but
>>> the S/N is at least 6 dB worse than the small active E field probe
>>> produces! (Of course i used an attenuator to achieve the same signal
>>> level, for comparison).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>> 
>> 
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