Warren
I would say your 4W erp could be heard in EU by those with a proper antenna
for the job but probably not by the majority using toy micro antennas
suitable only for QRSS speeds.
I say again I have over the years heard signal from the USA on 137 althought
they were transmitted in QRS mode, certainly loud enought for a CW QSO.
Using my Transmitting resonated antenna for RX does enable me at times to
hear stns from East coast USA. I have reported this in the past at the time
received.
Whether someone was stretching the rules as you suggest I do not know
I can also RX  regularly CW signals from the USA on the 500 khz band,  again
in the past this has been reported, these are also strong enough for a QSO
and I have had a 500 QSO with the USA
I think we have exhausted this subject now !!

g3kev




----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Ziegler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO


Mal,

      Yes I have missed the frontier days, we must find new challenges
to keep it interesting!
BTW my ERP on 137 has been measured as 4W by a broadcast engineer and
prominent LFer, yet I don't think that's enough for a T/A cw QSO.
I imagine that given the 1W ERP limit for EU hams someone was
stretching the rules a bit to make cw QSOs across the pond!

--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1



On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM, mal hamilton <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Well I had an aural report from VE1ZZ and he certainly copied MM0ALM on CW
> in fact they might have had a CW qso but it is so long ago it is now
> history, another stn that copied us was NC1K and a AA1 something, I might
> have it recorded in an old paper log somewhere.
> This is years ago and I do not keep records of something that became
> routine.
> I did not know that ZZ was SK. Over the years I worked him on numerous
> occassions on 160 metres early evening still daylight here at times. .
> and for a while he was testing on 500 Khz. I had a report from him on that
> band, I must check if I logged the acty (it is not necessary to keep a log
> book in the UK)
> Around at the time was VE1ZZ, NC1K a AA1 stn VE1JG I think and others that
> called me xband on 7033 whose calls I do not remember but have gone from
the
> scene some years back maybe before you got going. I think Warren you have
> missed the fun and frontier days !!
> de mal/g3kev
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Ziegler" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO
>
>
> Mal,
> On MM0ALM's QRZ.COM page there is a reference to a 1650 ft tower
> and PSK 31 transmissions on 136kHz.
>
> There is also a link to a QRSS capture received by VE1ZZ - (and not a
> very good capture, that signal would not have been audible by a long
> shot! ):
>
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic40.htm
>
> VE1ZZ has gone sk so I don't know who else could verify these stories.
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/1
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Warren Ziegler <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mal,
>>
>> What was MM0ALM running (TX/ant) ?
>> I have been active about 8 years and have never seen him mentioned
before.
>>
>> --
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>> WD2XGJ
>> WD2XSH/23
>> WE2XEB/2
>> WE2XGR/1
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:47 AM, mal hamilton <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>> I think you are talking about QRS I am talking CW, Did u ever listen on
> CW?
>>> MM0ALM was the strongest signal from anywhere world wide at the time
>>> obviously Dex you were not around on LF at the time or on at the wrong
> time.
>>> You missed all the fun and I am going back as far as 12 years ago and in
>>> between but not in recent years
>>>
>>>
>>> mal/g3kev
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" <[email protected]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't find any record of ever receiving MMØALM or EIØCF. The
>>>> strongest 137 khz signals that I can find record of listed in order are
>>>> CT1DRP, G3AQC, G3LDO and MØBMU.
>>>>
>>>> Dex
>>>>
>>>> mal hamilton wrote:
>>>> > Dex
>>>> > Maybe not at ur QTH but certainly around the Boston area and Canada
> some
>>>> > years back. MM0ALM was the strongest signal from the UK and at that
> time
>>>> > signals from the rest of EU were generally weak. EI0CF was also a
> strong
>>>> > signal in the USA. Both are now QRT on LF and I only come on at
> selected
>>>> > times in QSO mode. After a few calls if no one replies I QRT.
>>>> > Not interested here in pumping out Beacon mode 24/7 in the hope of a
> QSL
>>>> > EMAIL from Bandjudestrahta
>>>> > Merry Xmas
>>>> > de mal/g3kev
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" <[email protected]>
>>>> > To: <[email protected]>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:31 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> No DX 2200 meter signal has every been audible at this location.
I've
>>>> >> been at this ever since the first TA crossing by G3AQC and MØBMU.
And
>>>> >> I've got the award to prove it :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dex
>>>> >>
>>>> >> mal hamilton wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ps
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> MM0ALM was a strong audible signal in those days in the USA
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>



--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1