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Re: LF: TXing WSPR/MF on an indoor loop, part 2 / VLF in VK?

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Subject: Re: LF: TXing WSPR/MF on an indoor loop, part 2 / VLF in VK?
From: DK7FC <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 09:47:52 +0100
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Hi Dimitris,

Thanks, very kind. If your's is even larger and has just 1 nF, then it will be just adequate :-) Another radio amateur from Germany offered me two capacitors wich will be suitable. They seem to be already on the way in the post.

I wonder how this indoor loop performs as an RX antenna. Of course it will depend on the neighbours QRM but maybe it is not as bad as expected. Then, i could try to arrange a JT9 QSO or maybe QRSS... If the other station is 20 dB stronger, then i could have a higher QRM level...

What about your VLF experiments, what is the next step? What was the locator of your 120m antenna? Could you build a longer antenna? Maybe you like to try a ground loop? Did you follow the recent experiments from my 900m long antenna on 8270 Hz? It is the best experimentation field that VLF amateur radio offers these days :-) My recommendation :-)

73, Stefan


Am 04.02.2019 06:54, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis:
Hi all,

I have a few mica capacitors that came from a MW broadcaster, similar
to this one (in fact I have one that it bigger than this one).

Stefan, I think this is probably your best bet and pity you are not
closer otherwise I would be happy to lend you a couple to do your
experiments :-)

https://rustys.net.au/products/large-ducon-transmitter-honey-pot-capacitor

(this is smaller than the ones I have, most are about 1 nF capacitance)

73, Dimitris VK2COW

Στις Πέμ, 31 Ιαν 2019 στις 10:01 μ.μ., ο/η dhchurch
<[email protected]>  έγραψε:
Hello Dimitrios

Polypropylene capacitors can actually self-heal to such an extent that there's 
little left of them. The melting point of polypropylene is not very high and 
they can end up as just a liitle blob of plastic.

Don't worry though, I still use them suitably rated for the frequency in use 
and most of them are 600Vac or more.

73, Hugh, M0DSZ

----- Receiving the following content -----
From: Dimitrios Tsifakis
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Time: 2019-01-31, 00:25:55
Subject: Re: LF: TXing WSPR/MF on an indoor loop, part 2

Hi Stefan,

In my experience these polypropylene capacitors when they fail, they
just lose some capacitance. I think they call it 'self healing', maybe
they imply that when they fail there is no short circuit?

I have some really nice silver mica capacitors (ex MW broadcast stuff)
that would be perfect for this task...

Anyway, I am slowly gearing up for some VLF action over here. The
other day I did some tests at 16.72 kHz into an ugly loop (very
roughly 120 metres by 3 metres, single turn) and I was able to receive
my signals using an unoptimise ferrite antenna at a bit over 2 km from
the TX. I don't think I am in the near field at that distance, am I?
:-)

73, Dimitris VK2COW


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