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Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 22:49:05 -0230 (NDT)
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The mw is an E probe.  E is the volts/metre: a difference in potential
between two points in space.  So the little copper plate comprising the
mw antenna is at one potential and the other is the coax shield which
is at the same potential as earth, unless I have I'm holding my mw and
ft817 above the ground.  The signal is weak when the 817 are at the same
height (or in the same point in space). This seems straightforward; perhaps through excessive simplification or outright ignorance, I've goofed
something up.  Hawking and friends at the Perimiter Institute seem to be
wondering if time and space are simply artefacts of consciousness or silly
human sentiments.  If so, this could play havoc with E as defined above.

On a more practical theme, Op32 on 137.555 kHz 3 amps of RF from a pair of Decca modules to a monopole starting soon. Reports most welcomed, and gratitude to DF6NM for his opds reports online.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013, pat wrote:

AND Warren, there are those who hold that the only place from which we may observe our universe is from one of the other(s)!

At this point in the narrative the little folk like me retreat deeply into papers and books by the likes of Hawking and Penrose :>)))

73


On 10/07/13 20:06, Warren Ziegler wrote:
Pat,
"*There is a theory <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theory> which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Universe> is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. **There is another theory which states that this has already happened."*
*-Douglas Adams*


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, pat <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Of course, it also holds to be true that the "rest of the
    universe" that is the "other plate" of my capacitor is also the
    "other plate" of everyone else's similar capacitor and is the
    common circuit element to which we are all referenced!

    73



    On 10/07/13 18:30, Pieter-Tjerk de Boer wrote:

        On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 05:58:44PM +1000, edgar wrote:

            Surely every conductor in the unit will have a difference
            in potential
            due to being in a electromagnetic field.
            Even in the legs of the FET. Although the potential will
            be extremely small.

        Yes, of course that's correct.

        I should have written that with a fiber optic cable instead of
        the coaxial
        cable, all circuit elements are coupled to the field at
        _almost_ the same
        place, and thus are at _almost_ the same potential, and thus
        _almost_ no
        signal will come out: very much less than with the coax still
        in place.

        B.t.w., some mini-whips are built using a metal can as the
        probe, with
        the entire electronics inside the can; such an arrangement
        would get
        quite close to zero output when the coax is replaced by the
        fiber optics.

        Anyway, it was originally claimed that the functioning of the
        mini-whip
        does not depend on the coaxial cable; I just intended to
        explain why I
        think it does.

        73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM




    --     73 de pat g4gvw
    es gd dx
    qth nr Felixstowe
    East Coast UK





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73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
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                WE2XEB/2
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73 de pat g4gvw
es gd dx
qth nr Felixstowe
East Coast UK



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