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Re: LF: Cats among pigeons

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Subject: Re: LF: Cats among pigeons
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:22:01 -0000
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The s/n report is the average of each decoded bit in the total tx time frame ..

The variations may be down to qsb , in that in the shorter time , there where more demod's at a higher level ...... qsb on 500 asymmetric ?, 30 / 45 seconds up and 60/120 down .. so the short mode will decode or no decode , longer time may have a better chance but will give a lower average level ?

perhaps two readings would be more use , max / min of the decode ..or as in ros data , the s/n and the fade margin ,,ie range .....that's if the system can produce such a reading

All these levels are average as well ..one day/night we might get a clue as to what process is going on to determine if there is data in a time slot ... bit like entering the tour-de-France with a po-go stick and coming in the first 3 :)

G..

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From: "qrss" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:49 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Cats among pigeons

The worse question you could ask.

The decodes fall off at the same signal level resulting from the same TX Power, however OP8 reports -31dB and OP4 reports -28dB I call that worse. In other words I had a -37dB report from ON6EO, sounds good but would OP4 have been -34dB.

I know you knew what I meant anyway.

E

On 09/02/2012 20:29, Graham wrote:
worse ? is that worse as in fails to decode or decodes at a worse s/n ? , perhaps worst was the worst word to use to describe a worsening situation , by only making things worse ?

G..



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From: "qrss" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:57 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Cats among pigeons

Yes OP8 decodes but almost always either equal S/N or worse.

E

On 09/02/2012 19:40, Graham wrote:
Interesting  Ed.

I would go for OP2 on 500 , that was the speed that produced the best results at the start , did you have any OP8 decodes?

G.

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From: "qrss" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:13 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: LF: Cats among pigeons

This one worked before also on the G3ZJO G0KTN path:-

After dark QSB starts on 500kHz even OP4 can become a struggle, the PA0AM path again.

18:52 18105 PA0AM Op1 -22 dB 322 km  Actually on 500kHz
18:50 18105 PA0AM Op2 -25 dB 322 km  Actually on 500kHz
18:41 18105 PA0AM Op2 -18 dB 322 km  Actually on 500kHz

This could explain why WSPR does so well.

Eddie G3ZJO











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