Hi Piotr, Rik, Scott, VLF,
Tnx for the interesting discussion!
Well, 165 uW is quite low for that input power but we have expected that
it's even worse than a vertical. But the effort is much lower and
Scott's location is not suitable for a vertical....
0.174 Ohm means 1.74 kW at 100 A rms. Still acceptable? :-)
Am 24.03.2011 10:33, schrieb Rik Strobbe:
The maximum current for a 6.5mm (2 AWG) Al wire is 100A DC (see
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/maximum-current-copper-aluminum-wire-d_1690.html).
At 9kHz the current runs only trough about 50% of the wire area (skin effect),
so 100A might be too much.
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
Hmm, if i imagine a 100m long wire with 6.5 mm diameter where 1.7 kW is
dissapated, it cannot get to warm i think. It depends on the outside
wind and rain and so, of course. But as Scott said, its worth the fun! :-)
Maybe the actual parameters will be different. We shouldn't calculate to
much, the loop and mains is available, a VFO surely too. So just get
started and see what (current) can be achieved :-)
Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
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Verzonden: donderdag 24 maart 2011 3:27
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Onderwerp: Re: VLF: Resonate the antenna, or not?
Stefan Schäfer pisze:
Wow, nice!
Rik/ON7YD, now its your turn again: What will be the ERP when running
100A in that wire? I think 100A is realistic on such a wire. Skin
depth should be 0.9 mm. So the effective conductor area 19 mm^2.
Assuming 20m x 30m (?) wire (=600m^2) means 100m length, so R ~ 0.15
Ohm. So Scott gets 100 A rms when running 1.5 kW into the antenna (no
problem for the mains), without having problems of winding a large
coil, without resonating, without ferrite parts, without high voltages
(but high currents ;-) ). Am i right, Rik? And what is the ERP? I
could take a look on your website but you can do it so well here! What
is the L and Z and so the needed voltage to get 100A? :-)
Instead of standard FETs, some IGBTs could be used, shouldn't be a
problem at 9 kHz and some 100V. Any recommendations? :-)
Scott, what FETs do you use in your design? The IRFP460 is OK for 20 A
but not much more. One could do the effort and switch 4x 10 of them in
parallel but you'll need a good driver, maybe IXDD430... Interesting
stuff!
73, Stefan EI/DK7FC
Hi Stefan, LF group
Just before i was going to switch off my computers and go to bed
your mails arrived ....
below my quick calculations / Rik , pse, check it out :) /
Al wire diameter 6.5 mm length 100 meters, f= 8970 Hz
skin depth: 0.925 mm so Rac @ 8970 Hz = 0.174 Ohm
20m x 30 m rectangular loop - its inductance L = 162.85 microHenry
/RA9MB equation/
radiation resistance Rrad = 0.008994 microOhm / or using picoOhms as in
recent examples 8994 pOhm/
2*pi*f*L = 9.178 Ohm
2*pi*f*L/Rac = 52.72
using enough pwr to develop 100 Amp current TX radiated is 89.94 microwatts
loop over ground i.e. twice the Rad along with -0.39dBd loop gain
results in ERP = 164.4 microWatts
Voltage loop around 918 Volt
73, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
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