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Re: VLF: Resonate the antenna, or not?

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Subject: Re: VLF: Resonate the antenna, or not?
From: Stefan Schäfer <schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:21:24 +0100
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Wow, nice!

Rik/ON7YD, now its your turn again: What will be the ERP when running 100A in that wire? I think 100A is realistic on such a wire. Skin depth should be 0.9 mm. So the effective conductor area 19 mm^2. Assuming 20m x 30m (?) wire (=600m^2) means 100m length, so R ~ 0.15 Ohm. So Scott gets 100 A rms when running 1.5 kW into the antenna (no problem for the mains), without having problems of winding a large coil, without resonating, without ferrite parts, without high voltages (but high currents ;-) ). Am i right, Rik? And what is the ERP? I could take a look on your website but you can do it so well here! What is the L and Z and so the needed voltage to get 100A? :-)
Instead of standard FETs, some IGBTs could be used, shouldn't be a problem at 9 kHz and some 100V. Any recommendations? :-)

Scott, what FETs do you use in your design? The IRFP460 is OK for 20 A but not much more. One could do the effort and switch 4x 10 of them in parallel but you'll need a good driver, maybe IXDD430... Interesting stuff!

73, Stefan EI/DK7FC

Am 23.03.2011 06:55, schrieb Scott Tilley:
Hi Stefan
  The mains has just to supply the losses. So the critical parts are the FETs and the loop wire diameter. I think 100 A rms is a problem for most loops. But i would give it a try. Even the 4x or 5x 1.5 mm^2 could take that current for a while, depending on the outside temperature. BTW there will be a current limiting when the temperature increases :-)
The loop here is a #2 AWG (6.5mm) AL conductor.  And yes I note considerable difference between cold days and warm ones on 2200m.  Somewhere I have some measurements.


Who is the one who does the first test? Scott? :-) BTW the distance between VE7TIL and KL7UK is just 2084 km! http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=CN89DK&from=bp51ip

I pulled the h-bridge design of yours from my files and found a version of this in my junk box...  Now the magic question is when can I find time to rig this up?

Scott, what do you estimate is the current limit of your loop wire and what is the area? And what is the bearing?

Easily a couple hundred amps.  600m^2 and aimed right at Laurence.  See my website 'station info.'

73, Stefan/ EI/DK7FC



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