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Subject: LF: Re: Re: E-field antennas
From: "Giulio Scaroni" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:22:02 +0200
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Hi and many thanks to all that have answered to my question about E-field
Many different design, but the best seems really the Amrad pubblished in
So i'm planning to made an Amrad antenna, i have send a request at
Crystalonics for high current FET.
Many thanks Derek, for the really good job that you have done testing the
antenna alltogheter in the same times!!!!
Here i have during summer times only a ferrite antenna with a J310
preamplifier with 28 mA of idle current, and work very well, but i want to
compare soon it with performance of the E-field antenna.
73 and thanks all again.

de Giulio Scaroni IK2DED.

Hi all,

Re Alan Melia's posting on E-field antennas (Aug. 25th), I confirm his
comment that I did carry out a number of tests on two E-field active
antennas each having roughly a 3m whip, one an ex-Decca Navigator design
using op-amps, and the other an AMRAD high dynamic range design using a
Crystalonics high current FET and published in QST in September last year
think it was).Both of these designs feed DC up the coax to the active
 I compared these with a 50m long inverted 'L' antenna with a 15m vertical
section (resonated with a base loading coil) and also with a large
rectangular loop approx 8m per side in a very noisy urban environment.
was at a time when I was experiencing interference on 136kHz radiated from
hi-speed data cable which also coupled into local CATV distribution cables
(not connected to my QTH!).
       The main findings were :

(1) Both E-field antenna designs performed in a similar fashion and when
mounted reasonably in  the clear, ie more or less above roof-top height,
produced a signal to noise ratio  similar to the inverted 'L' antenna.
Generally anything I could hear on the inverted 'L' , I could hear on the
active antenna but the active antenna appeared less susceptible to the
interference than was the wire antenna. Under conditions of radiated
interference which appeared to be primarily in the H-field from the local
data cable, the loop was virtually unusable which meant that I could not
it for Loran cancellation!
(2) The slope of the variation in absolute signal strength at the output
the E-field antenna with variation in height above ground was initially
fairly constant and surprisingly high at around 2 to 3dB per metre up to
about 12m. Above that the rate of change flattened off but the received
signal strength still continued to increase up to at least 20m which was
high as I could measure.
    The flattening off in signal strength increase at around 12m I assume
as a result of the active antenna becoming less 'E-field shadowed' as it
rises above roof-top height.and local trees.
(3) It is strongly recommended that the coax feeder from the E-field
should be allowed run more or less vertically downwards to ground level
the outer of the coax then earthed at some point underneath the antenna.
the shack end of the coax, noise currents on the outer of the coax should
suppressed by passing the signal through an isolating 1:1 transformer (eg.
bifilar winding of a few turns on a suitable small toroid). Without the
isolating transformer I found the performance of both the E-field antennas
very disappointing in a noisy environment. The transceiver in the shack
should be separately earthed
(4) The above results confirm those outlined AMRAD article in QST.  I
that Wallter G3JKV would also confirm that at his QTH, the results from an
active receiving antenna mounted at 20m+ above ground are similar to those
obtained from a large well-sited wire antenna.
(5) There is little advantage to be found in extending the whip much
than 1 metre or so - cross-mod then potentially becomes more of a problem.
bandpass filter between the output of the active antenna and the RX input
also strongly recommended to minimise the risk of  intermod problems from
broadcast stations.

                              Regards to all,  Derek Atter, G3GRO

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