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LF: RE: Re: Can an air cored LPF inductor have as high a "Q" as a toroid

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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Can an air cored LPF inductor have as high a "Q" as a toroidal wound one?
From: "Clemens Paul" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:43:43 +0100
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Hi Alan, 

>One thought I dont know the answer to.......magnetisation is 
>not a linear 
>effect, if you are getting heating you are into the saturation 
>area......what does his non-linearity do to the signal ! It may even 

Chris is using #2 material mix,i.e. iron powder toroids,not ferrite.
Iron powder is essentially not saturable because overheating will
set the flux limit long before saturation occurs,see attachment.


73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Melia
>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:55 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: LF: Re: Can an air cored LPF inductor have as high a 
>"Q" as a toroidal wound one?
>
>Chris my take on this.....not having used this level of power 
>at LF.....if 
>the core is gettting hot it is not providing a particularly 
>high Q !! My 
>line is that LPF are best made with air cored inductors, the 
>values required 
>are not so high as to need ferrite. (see MRF and YXM filters) 
>It does mean 
>care in layout to avoid coupling between the stages.  You may 
>even be able 
>to use a non-magnetic toroidal core!  Current sensing 
>transformers at Rugby 
>GBR 16kHz  (similar to the transformers in Jim Moritz 
>scopematch) were wound 
>on discs of Tufnol  (SRBF)
>
>One thought I dont know the answer to.......magnetisation is 
>not a linear 
>effect, if you are getting heating you are into the saturation 
>area......what does his non-linearity do to the signal ! It may even 
>compromise the effect your are trying to obtain ......actually 
>generating 
>harmonics??
>
>Alan
>G3NYK

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