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Subject: | Re: VLF: 300 mA on 5170 Hz |
From: | Markus Vester <[email protected]> |
Date: | Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:04:42 -0400 |
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Hi Stefan, attached is the result of stacking three days at DL0AO (also appended to table below). Indeed the daytime carrier was well received, with no indication of attenuation towards the afternoon. Daytime SNR was around 15 dB in 1.5 * 424 uHz, equivalent to -17 dBHz. Nighttime Eb/N0 was ~ 6 dB for 5.7 bits in 8.9 hours which is 6+7.5-45 = -31.5 dBHz, or 14.5 dB less SNR than during the day. On average, nocturnal noise was approximately 12 dB stronger, so we end up with a 2.5 dB stronger daytime signal (albeit this small difference is probably within uncertainties). Anyhow this doesn't look like a daytime 1.5 lambda minimum at all. Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosph%C3%A4rischer_Wellenleiter left me confused. The article basically says that for small ranges the simple one-hop ray theory is adequate. But it also states that at VLF freequencies, the bottom of the ionosphere should act as a magnetic (i.e. high-impedance) wall, inducing a reflection with 180° phase shift. This is the opposite of what I had thought - shouldn't the conductivity from the free electrons rather resemble a metal-like electric boundary, like it undisputedly does at ELF frequencies? Reversing boundaries would swap minima and maxima, but in this case neither seems to fit our observation. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC <[email protected]> An: rsgb_lf_group <[email protected]> Verschickt: Di, 24. Okt 2017 23:41 Betreff: Re: VLF: 300 mA on 5170 Hz
Hi Markus,
Thanks for the results. So the night/day SNR ratio looks much better than on 6.47 kHz for us. Am 18.10.2017 11:12, schrieb DK7FC: Am 17.10.2017 22:55, schrieb Markus Vester: ...now, can you say something about the daytime / nighttime levels (not SNR). Actually the daytime signal should be quite invisible when the geometrical path difference explains the propagation in that range. But i saw the signal at up to 15 dB in 424 uHz, actually the best daytime SNR on all bands tested between us so far. So again, the oppsite to the expected?!? 58 km is an ideal band for us. Also your recent carrier was 'O copy' even in 424 uHz. Don't you like to send your call or so in EbNaut during daytime? I might catch it in less than 5 hours!, e.g. http://abelian.org/ebnaut/calc.php?sndb=10&snbws=0.000424&snmps=&code=16K21&sp=15&crc=16&nc=5&submit=Calculate 73, Stefan Am 24.10.2017 21:37, schrieb Markus Vester:
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