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Re: LF: what causes this on wspr

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Subject: Re: LF: what causes this on wspr
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 19:48:54 +0100
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I don't think  its  stability Andy  ,  could  be step  response and  settling  time ,   the  new  U3 kit   uses  a  PLL and produces  , what was thought to  be  key  click's  but  is  PLL   settling time ,  out of lock  detectors  would  normally inhibit  output , but for a  phase cont  system .. there's  a  conflict of interests , no problem  keying  Opera  as  its a  single  tone , fixed  frequency , but the  mfsk  modes  have  problems  associated  ..  the  original  used  DSS
 
 , PLL's   may  be   the  wrong  way to  go I think for a  exciter , where  large step  changes  in frequency  are  commanded  ,  after  all  ,  we  know  why  DDS's  where  first  devised : ) 
 
G,

Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: what causes this on wspr

Yep - I missed the fact it was over a minute long .
The sidebands are 12Hz (not 8Hz as I said before) which seems a bit close for any synth instability.  Nothing is that slow surely.

So a bit of a mystery in that case.    Still reckon it looks like CW though.    Hard on -off keing generates a spectrum at harmonics of the clock frequency



Andy


On 1 July 2015 at 17:58, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Andy
 
Problem there  is  it  lasts  , what  seems  to  be  the  full  duration  of the  data  phase  [ phase as  a change  from  cw  to data .. etc ]
 
wspr  via a  ssb  rig ,  overdriving  usually  produces  , harmonic  side  bands ,   1000  , 2000   Hz etc  Mains  Hum  50/100/150  etc 
 
The  power  distribution  looks like a  FM signal ,  that  would  also  account  for the  equal    distribution   about  the  centre  and the  extended  group  of  side  bands  to  the  right ..
 
I would  take   shot  at  a  kit  using   either  a  PLL    or   one  of the  clock  pulse  systems  .. with  timing  jitter  ?
 
73 -G,

Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: what causes this on wspr

Fast CW ident perhaps ?
The spectral lines look to be about 8Hz apart so that makes it 10 WPM or thereabouts

Andy  'jnt


On 1 July 2015 at 17:24, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
what causes this  on wspr
 
This  takes  some  doing  ...... but  how  to  do  it  ?
 
G,


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