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Re: LF: Gamma spectroscopy (off topic)

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 22:11:45 +0000
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Hello Markus, and others interested.

Briefly, my PC / soundcard -based gamma spectroscopy setup is as follows:

- Two self-constructed scintillation detector heads, one using a Russian/USSR 18 x 40 mm NaI(Tl) crystal coupled to a 25 mm EMI 9111b photomultiplier tube, and a refurbished 63 x 63 mm Russian/USSR NaI(Tl) crystal coupled to a 76 mm Photonis XP5312/SN1 photomultiplier tube. The smaller probe is fitted with a dynode voltage divider string of approximately 60 Mohm total, and the larger one has a 120 Mohm string.
The pulse shaper / preamplifier is the same one as in the Theremino
project, but the HV generator is made from a CCFL PSU followed by a
three-stage cascade for a maximum voltage of 1500 V. This is followed
by heavy but simple RC ripple filtering. HV adjustment is by means of
a LM317 at the low voltage input of the CCFL-module.
The signal derived from the photomultiplier anode resistor is fed
trough a DC-blocking capacitor into the Theremino pulse amp and from
there to MIC IN on either a "3D Sound" USB audio card or the built-in
MIC input on the PC.
In the PC there are a couple of freeware applications one can use, I
prefer Theremino MCA and BeqMoni. Illy Sommer (Bionerd23) and Carl
Willis that you have probably seen on YouTube both use a different
free software that I have also tried, but found less handy to work
with especially on the energy calibration side.
For Android there is an app called "Atom Spectra", and for Apple iOS
products one can use "Geiger Bot". I have tried both instead of a
normal PC with at least modest success. Very handy if one wants to
measure in-situ instead of hauling potential objects back home to the
To increase the signal to noise ratio further with the large detector
I will have to invest in 100 kg of lead and have it cast in a suitable
container to create a shielded well for the sample and the probe.
Using either probe I get a total system resolution of 7 % at 662 keV (Cs-137).

To name a few things I have done with my rig is:

- Determining if various glassware and ceramics were coloured using natural uranium (0.7% U-235) or depleted uranium (0.2-0.3 % U-235) - Finding out if slightly radioactive rocks I have discovered in the nature are radioactive due to containing thorium or uranium - Finding out that our neighbourhood probably got more Cs-137 fallout in 1986 than our official averages show. Shows up in soil and ashes from local trees even without lead shielding. Hard to quantify further. - Making potash from the mentioned ashes concentrates Cs-137 even further. I have a bag of the stuff that I can actually use when doing energy calibration of the setup.
Other handy calibration tools are: Ionizing smoke detector (59 keV
from Am-241), Spark gap tube (662 keV from Cs-137), thoriated lantern
mantle (many well defined energies), radium watch or a radium doped
cold cathode telephone tube (many well defined energies).
It is very simple to build such a setup, since the software does most
of the hard work. Finding good scintillation crystals and good
photomultipliers is perhaps the hardest part. There is plenty for sale
on ebay, but it is often hit and miss. I can provide some
recommendations off the list.

Here is the Theremino documentation:

Software links etc.:


or try the download link provided by Karl in this forum thread:

For further reading you will have to visit Yahoo group "Gamma Spectrometry". This is also a source for "good parts".

I hope this off-topic provided some value.

Markus, I'm happy to discuss the subject further per direct e-mail if you have more questions. I will be on a trip for a couple of weeks starting Sunday so replying may take a few days.


Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ

Quoting Markus Vester <[email protected]>:

Hi Paul-Henrik,
I'd be interested to learn more about your soundcard gamma spectrometer, is there a description on the web?
The reason why I'm asking: I recently stumbled across several rather
enlightening videos from "bionerd23", the "Lady who ate the
Chernobyl apples". There's also one where she climbs the huge
transmit array of the former Duga-3 OTH-radar, also known as "Steel
Yard" or "The Woodpecker":
73, Markus (DF6NM)
BTW Wouldn't mind having such an decently-sized antenna in MY backyard ;-)

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Betreff: Re: LF: Re: USB stereo soundcard, CHEAP!?
Have a look at this specific product ("3D Sound" in transparent blue
plastic case), there are plenty sellers on the "bay" in DE:

I use exactly the same card for sound input from the NaI(Tl)
scintillator probe preamplifier in my gamma spectroscopy setup.

At least for that purpose it works as well or better than the built-in
audio interfaces I have tried. Key parameters in that application are
low noise, no extra "hidden" sound processing and good input waveform


Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ

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