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Re: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop

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Subject: Re: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 02:06:19 +0200
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Mark, Tom,
 
let me try to put some numbers to your question...
 
Loop resistance: Wire diameter #8 AWG = 3.26 mm, skin depth at 8.3 kHz ~ 0.66 mm, AC cross section 6.7 mm^2, AC resistance 2.6 mohm/m,
loop perimeter 244m, => wire resistance 0.62 ohm.
Depending on ground conductivity, there will be additional eddy current losses in the ground, maybe on the order of an ohm. Plus some capacitor ESR and connection losses. Assume 2 ohms total resistance, giving i = 10 A from 200 watts.
 
Loop area: a=3720 m^2, magnetic field at distance r towards the side of the loop:
 H = i*a / (4*pi*r^3) ~ 3000 Am^2 / r^3
 
Noise background at 9 kHz:
Approximately 3 to 10 uV/m/sqrt(Hz), but quite variable depending on static background, time of day, noise blanking etc. Assuming 5 uV/m/sqrtHz.
CW would be readable with 9 dB SNR in 50 Hz bandwidth => required signal
 Emin = 14 + 9 + 17 dB uV/m = 40 dBuV/m = 100 uV/m
Assuming a magnetic receive antenna, this is equivalent to Hmin = Emin / 377 ohm = 0.26 uA/m
 
Solving for distance:
 rmax = (3000/0.26e-6)^0.33 m = 2.24 km 
 
... Stefan, nice estimate indeed!
 
In reality, the receive loop would also need to be horizontal (ie vertical axis), and may thus benefit from picking up much less of the atmospheric noise. 20 dB lower noise would extend the range by a factor of 2.15.
 
Furthermore, G3XBM and others have demonstrated that in inhabited areas, the field of the TX loop may be picked up by infrastructure like buried cables or water conduits, inducing currents which may carry the signal to much further distances in "utility aided earth mode".
 
 
But...
 
Though a horizontal loop (vertical axis) may have significant inductive nearfields, it will not radiate much into the far field because it has the wrong polarization. The associated horizontal E-fields are simply being shunted by the ground. To "get out", you'd need to put the loop in upright orientation (ie horizontal axis). Assuming the same loop area as before, the radiation resistance (including the loop "image" below conducting ground) would be
 Rrad = 2 * 31171 ohms * a^2 / lambda^4 = 0.5 microohms
and radiated power
 EMRP = i^2 * Rrad = 50 uW
But that would require a much larger mechanical construction, using either very high supports or a much lengthier loop.
 
Employing the existing supports for an upright loop, the area would be only eg. 610 m^2, giving
 Rrad = 0.013 microohms
 EMRP = 1.3 uW.
 
A second option would be an earth antenna, grounded at the far end. You might feed one corner of your rectangle against ground, and connect the opposite corner to ground as well. This would be an earth loop of length 61m*sqrt(2), and height 10 m above ground plus say 48 m below ground (depending on conductivity) => a= 5000 m^2. But here the ground reflection is already "included" so there won't be the extra factor of two for the image. Thus
 Rrad = 31171 ohms * a^2 / lambda^4 = 0.45 microohms
However the total resistance of the two ground connections will be much higher than the 2 ohms of the copper loop, say 200 ohms. So 200 watts would radiate only
 EMRP = 0.45 uW.
 
You will be much better off using the existing horizontal loop as a top load for a vertical "Marconi". Assuming there are only few and small trees around it, effective height may be perhaps 80% of 10m, leading to
 Rrad = 1579 ohms * 8m^2/lambda^2 = 76.8 microohms
Optimistically assuming around 200 ohms for coil and ground losses, you coud get 1 A, giving
 EMRP = 77 uW,
some two orders of magnitude stronger than the magnetic and earth loop configurations. With around 1.4 nF capacitance and 30 kV voltage withstand, you could then even QRO up to 800 Watts for 308 uW EMRP. Which will easily put you in the ballpark of Dex' and Paul's successful TA crossing.
 
 
Bottom line: Winding a large coil will be well worth the effort.
And... if you want to go far, just forget about aural CW! This is only for the biggies like SAQ, radiating about 30 kW.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 

From: DK7FC
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop

Hello Mark,

200W in such a loop and 8.97 or 8.27 kHz, CW, my guess is that the distance is less than 2 km. But it depends on the type of the RX antenna (E or H field).

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 25.06.2014 18:47, schrieb [email protected]:
Hi -

I've been following the discussion on 9 khz transmit antennas with some interest, as a friend of mine, Tom, KD0VBR, has done some preliminary experimentation in this area ( using large loading coils w/ vertical ).  Tom asked me to post a query regarding some antenna ideas he has, and it would be great to hear the group's thoughts on them and whether they might work or not.  73, Mark AB0CW

Below are his questions:


From: "Pouliot, Tom" <[email protected]>
To: "Dittmar, Mark" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:51:48 AM
Subject: RE: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop

Hi Mark,
That would be great if you could post some questions about transmitting loops for VLF.
Thinking about a square loop 200' per side 10' off the ground  #8 wire with 200 watts into the antenna. How far away could one expect to be able to detect a CW signal ? ( not QRSS)
Another possibility would be a triangular loop 200' per side with a 50' high apex.

Tom


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