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Subject: AW: LF: LF/VLF
From: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:22:06 +0200
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Thread-topic: LF: LF/VLF
Interesting! Maybe i should try a loop for 137 kHz in the winther. I have a LOT 
of space there in the nearby forest. This would by my only chance to have a TX 
antenna that is fixed. The main problem will be that i am very spoiled by my 
kite antenna ;-) But it may be an alternative if there is no wind.
Tnx for making the ideas ;-)
73, Stefan


Von: [email protected] im Auftrag von Mike-WE0H
Gesendet: Fr 11.06.2010 20:59
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: LF: LF/VLF

I did testing several years ago with a 200' TX loop and a 45' vertical
with a 72' flattop. The band was 1750 meters. The loop and the vertical
were mounted in the woods with 70' plus oak trees. What was found was at
outside air temperatures of 32F and above, the vertical's signal hardly
radiated groundwave or skywave. The signal from the vertical was barely
audible at 75 miles and not visible in ARGO at 1000 miles. The TX loop
signal was S-9 at 75 miles and showing real well in ARGO at 1000 miles.
The groundwave receive station was at 75 miles from the TX site. The
skywave station was at roughly 1000 miles from the TX site. As the
temperature went down from 32F, the vertical's radiated signal increased
until the temperature was roughly 10F where the vertical's signal
matched the TX loops signal on both the 75 mile & the 1000 mile receive

The TX loop was a Bill Ashlock loop design, series resonated with low
loss caps and transformer coupled with a -43 material ferrite core. The
transformer turns ratio was set to match a 50 ohm amplifier output
impedance. This TX loop was in a vertical plane laying in the tree tops
and running 6' off the ground on the bottom side.

Similar testing proved a TX loop was not necessary on the 600 meter band
as trees do not significantly affect a 600m signal. Other US Amateur's
have tested TX loops and verticals around trees on the 2200 meter band
and found the TX loop was necessary on that band when there was a lot of
trees nearby.



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