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Re: LF: Re Propagation report

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Subject: Re: LF: Re Propagation report
From: Rik Strobbe <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:22:22 +0200
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Jim,

maybe a method 3:
Measure the field strength of a strong TX (eg. DCF39 for 137kHz). This can be done using a small calibrated RX as describe by PA0SE. Based on the you can calculate the antenna voltage that a lossless isotropic antenna should deliver to its termination resistance. Let's call this U1. Match the antenna properly to the frequency of teh strong TX and terminate it properly.
Now measure the antenna voltage delivered by the strong TX. Let's call this U2.
Based on the ratio of U1/U2 the "efficiency "(in dBi) of the antenna system can be calculated, and thus for a given output power you know the E(I)RP.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 21:57 7/10/2009, you wrote:
Dear David, LF Group,

There are basically two ways of determining ERP, briefly:

Method 1 is to calculate the radiation resistance (Rrad) of your antenna,
which can be done using various text-book formulae, or using antenna
simulation software like EZNEC or similar. Then you measure the RF current
flowing in the antenna (Iant). The ERP is then Iant^2 x Rrad x 1.8 (1.8 is
the directivity of electrically small vertical or loop antennas, which in
practice is what all amateur 136kHz antennas are).

Method 2 is to measure the field strength some km from the antenna. The ERP
is then (E x d)^2 /49, where E is the field strength, d distance in metres.
This requires a calibrated antenna and measuring receiver, so is more
complicated to do.

Method 1 is simpler to do, but yields ERP results that tend to be lower than
those obtained by method 2. This is thought to be due to various combined
environmental effects on the antenna, which are not accounted for in the
simple calculation. So to get a more accurate and definitive figure, you
need to do method 2, but as far as compliance with licence conditions is
concerned, method 1 is a conservative way of checking.

Good luck in your efforts!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
but From: "David Weinreich" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re Propagation report


Peter,

As an interested observer from the other side of the pond, how do you
determine that you are close to the ERP limit?? I'd be interested in knowing
as I am trying to do some pro-bono work for the ARRL on getting use of 137
kHz here in the USA.

Tnx & 73,

David Weinreich
WA2VUJ/3



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