Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd
not even properly filling the spaces in between fully.  So occupied
bandwidth is less than spread.

Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com



2009/1/3 mal hamilton <[email protected]>:
> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>
>
> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required
> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most
> important ones.  At the moment, both those modes appear to be
> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm
> getting.    They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31,
> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in
> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth.
>
> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times
> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly.    Whether it
> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see
> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used.  Anyway, it looks as if
> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread.
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.g4jnt.com
>
>
>
> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton <[email protected]>:
>>
>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you
>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE
>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"
>> <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -
>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS
>>
>>
>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy :
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a
>>> bit uncertain now.   MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job.
>>>
>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy  G4JNT
>>> www.g4jnt.com
>>>
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