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RE: LF: Amtor FEC on LF

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Subject: RE: LF: Amtor FEC on LF
From: "Andy talbot" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:52:35 +0100
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is over 100 km away, so it does not
cause the same trouble you might have in areas such as the U.K. but helps
to fill the band at least with some signals  .... ;-)


But scaled down Amtor (divide by 10 all round) might be useful
Stewart G3YSX


It is far better to tailor a data modulation and coding sceme to the medium on which it is to be used rather than just cobble together an adaptation of another scheme.

AMTOR is designed for HF which has the characteristics of short bursts of interference mixed up with fading and multipath - so has a short packet length (3 characters) and low baud rate to fit in between link disturbances. High relative bandwidth is necessary at HF to counter multipath.

137k, on the other hand is characterised by a much more constant noise background and does not behave like HF divided by ten - if fading is present, it covers a much longer period of tens of minutes or hours These characteristics suggest a coding scheme that requires less error correction and can make use of narrower relative bandwidth to reduce noise. We already have JASON for low speed work, albeit with no error correction, and PSK31 is ideal for keyboard typing speeds and includes a QPSK FEC mode, although the linear Tx requirement makes it difficult to use. Link failures at LF will not be cured by ARQ (as in AMTOR) to the same extent as at HF due to the non burst nature of the noise.

Andy  G4JNT


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From:   Stewart Bryant [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent:   2002/07/09 17:50
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