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1. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Piotr Mynarski <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:36:02 +0100
..... I found in another paper a formula for field strength at VLF. It uses Legendre functions to model propagation in terms of cavity modes, combined with an empirical model of attenuation. Formula
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00061.html (14,784 bytes)

2. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:25:38 +0000
Sorry, that should have been Pure and applied geophysics, (volume price $110, single articles a mere $34! I can get copies through the British Library but it takes weeks). It's a challenge - those Le
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00247.html (12,272 bytes)

3. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Alexander S. Yurkov" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:57:10 +0000 (GMT)
It is one point yet. Let's wait for 3-4 at least. True, true. I am familar with such problems but mainly in condensed matter (particulary magneto-optics) not in plasma physics. But electrodynamics it
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00252.html (11,859 bytes)

4. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:38:00 +0000
This would be the most straightforward explanation for the high signal strength. The signal expands with 1/r^2 power density and 1/r field strength until it is constrained by the Earth-ionosphere cav
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00301.html (10,456 bytes)

5. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:28:52 +0000
Some notes on the 9kHz tests and propagation, http://abelian.org/vlf/9k/ -- Paul Nicholson --
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00387.html (10,422 bytes)

6. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Alexander S. Yurkov" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:58:15 +0000 (GMT)
Certanly exponential factor exp(-r/a) should be present. I mentioned this before. But i have no ideas how to estimate roughly (at least) parameter (length) a. Intuitively i expect a = few of 1000s km
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00486.html (10,857 bytes)

7. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Alexander S. Yurkov" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:46:41 +0000 (GMT)
Dear Markus, your calculations are fully adequate only while ionosphere does not work. I.e. for less then about 100 km (very approximative). At 180 km and 800 km ionosphere influence is certanly wort
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00490.html (9,867 bytes)

8. LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:12:14 +0100
Dear LF, on the phone, Stefan mentioned that he was running about 0.4 A into the nearly vertical (70°), 100 m long kite antenna. Thus radiated power would be EMRP = 1579 ohm * (0.4 A * sin(70°) * 50
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00554.html (13,736 bytes)

9. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:46:41 +0000
Yes you did! I am following your lead with this 1/sqrt(r) thing and the exponential factor. And it is working - it is giving the right answer for Stefan's signal! 3dB per 1000km (daytime) is mentione
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00620.html (11,322 bytes)

10. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Alexander S. Yurkov" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:03:44 +0000 (GMT)
By the way it is very close to estimation: E(800km) ~ E(100km)*sqrt(100km/800km) where E(100km) calculated without ionospere, as you, Markus, calculated. Certanly it is very rought formala. Up to the
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00633.html (9,928 bytes)

11. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Piotr Mynarski <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:50:13 +0100
This would be the most straightforward explanation for the high signal strength. The signal expands with 1/r^2 power density and 1/r field strength until it is constrained by the Earth-ionosphere cav
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00694.html (15,252 bytes)

12. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:06:12 +0000
I've been reading up about the Austin-Cohen formula, originally an empirical determination, valid only for long waves (> 200m): signal strength proportional to exp( -alpha * r/sqrt(lamda)) where alph
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00701.html (14,566 bytes)

13. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Paul Nicholson <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:27:49 +0000
That's a step forward. Up to now we've tried B = sqrt( 9.5e-21 * ERP/r) * exp( -r/a) where a = 2.9e6 for daytime path, or 4.3e6 for nighttime path. This assumes radiated power is spread uniformly ove
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-03/msg00708.html (11,714 bytes)

14. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: Piotr Mynarski <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:25:50 +0200
It's a challenge - those Legendre functions with complex parameters... there's an expression involving hypergeometric functions and some code for that in 'Numerical Recipes in C', either that or (ve
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-04/msg00143.html (12,851 bytes)

15. Re: LF: Ionospheric VLF propagation (score: 1)
Author: "Antonio Tagliavini" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 01:47:20 +0200
Dear ultra-lowfers, why not Mathematica? It is a very powerful tool containing all special functions you need (e.g..: Legendre). No recipes, no subroutines, no Fortran... Best regards Antonio -- Orig
/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/2010-04/msg00293.html (15,205 bytes)


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