Re: VLF: New experiments on 17.47 kHz planned...

[DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>]

Hi Markus,

Thank for your interest and comments.

Yes, you are right, there is a second maximum which becomes more evident in the attached plot. I should have transmitted longer, until 0 UTC.
Maybe it is worth to send two messages, the first one using the first maximum, the second one using the second maximum.
These two maxima are also visible here in the spectrogram for NWC. I saw it very clearly last night. Maybe the gap between those two maxima becomes smaller as we reach the 21st of September, giving a single stronger expressed maximum?

In our phase plots from NWC we can see a dropping phase at the beginning and then a rising phase at the end. Inbetween there is a short section with nearly constant phase. The constantly dropping phase appears as a frequency offset, as you say, but this still doesn't leave the observed FFT bin in the 3 hour integration time (94 uHz).

The second maximum seems to make use of the dropping noise on Edgar's site. The band closes to the east at 21 UTC on his site. Here is the second maximum.

I'm trying a second message starting 21 UTC. It will fit in the same txt file:

f = 17470.1000 Hz
Start time: 27.Aug.2018  21:00:00 UTC (daily)
Symbol period: 12 s
Characters: 2
CRC bits: 16
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 02:33:36 [hh:mm:ss]
Antenna current: 1.2 A

73, Stefan



Am 29.08.2018 12:03, schrieb Markus Vester:

Hi Stefan and Edgar,

I am still deeply impressed by your groundbreaking work. With close to 12 dB SNR after three nights, it looks like you could chat at a rate of one character per day.

The Excel plots are a nice way to observe the carrier with different integration times and optimize time and bandwidth. It looks like there is another weaker maximum after 21 UT, shortly after sunrise in Hobart (now 20:41 UT).

For a more intuitive interpretation, I would suggest to plot the middle of the integration time rather than the start time on the x axis, i.e. offset each curve to the right by half the duration. Then all curves should more or less peak at the time of a propagation maximum. There may also be a minor offset in the SNR scale because the noise power is slightly underestimated due to rolloff of SpecLab's decimation filter, I think the carrier SNR is really about 0.8 dB lower than indicated on the y axis.

The NWC phase plot at DL0AO shows a negative phase slope around -45° per hour, so it may be worth to also plot SNR with a small negative frequency offset (~ -35 uHz), possibly gaining a bit more at long integration times.

After decoding your message, I have set up the DL0AO 17.47 kHz instance to unspread the PSK, so it may be used as a local control of transmit phase and sequence timing.
 
Good luck!
Markus


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Betreff: Re: VLF: New experiments on 17.47 kHz planned...

Hi VLF,

After transmitting carriers for the last 5 days, there are 3 good days to stack, the others were noisy.
The resulting SNR via start time plot for different carrier length is attached. With some uncertainty we can say that these days the ideal start time for the path from DL to VK7 is 17:50 UTC and the message duration should be between 2.5...3 hours.

This evening i'm going to start an attempt for a 2 character EbNaut message. With some luck, just 2 days, i.e. 2 stacks will be enough to get a clear decode.

f = 17470.1000 Hz
Start time: 27.Aug.2018  17:50:00 UTC (daily)
Symbol period: 12 s
Characters: 2
CRC bits: 23
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 02:56 [hh:mm]
Antenna current: 1.2 A


73, Stefan




Am 24.08.2018 14:02, schrieb DK7FC:

Hi Edgar,

Thanks for the spectrogram showing JXN nicely! Here i'm watching NWC but the SNR is much lower, probably due to the strong QRN we still have in late August...
I'm going to calculate the weighting factors for the stacking based on the noise amplitude from 18...21 UTC. And obviously it is not necessary to transmit until 0 UTC, so i will stop an hour earlier from now on.

Your SpecLab settings are fine as they are. There is no advantage from a shorter and wider FFT. The observed spectrum width currently allows to display more than 2000 FFT bins centered on the TX frequency, allowing to display enough noise arround the peak to demonstrate that the peak is most unlikely a by-chance peak...

Thanks for last nights txt file. We can produce a first stack from the two days. Last night is weighted by -1.3 dB. The result is attached. We can already see a peak of 11.3 dB SNR, not unrealistic but still not significant enough. The spectrum peak produced from the suggestion of the Excel plot (Start 17:50 UTC, duration 2 hours) is attached as well. It shows a higher SNR, which depends on the noise floor calculation (0 dB line). I need to work on this but anyway the peak looks good relative to the noise already.

Another carrier will follow tonite.

73, Stefan



Am 23.08.2018 23:40, schrieb Edgar:

Hi Stefan,

Based on the past two days signal from JXN, would it improve the chance of detecting the carrier if the "FFT window time (length)" matched the time when the signal is at maximum?

The FFT length is now 8.847 hours. The period when JXN signal is white is about 1.5 hours.

The FFT bin width would be wider, and a larger percentage of bins would have a stronger signal.

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