Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

[John Rabson <john.rabson07@gmail.com>]

As has been pointed out, there seems to be some uncertainty about what was and what was not authorised in the early 2000s. In my first full-time job I shared a bench with a trade union branch secretary who said he much preferred written agreements because he could then argue about interpretation.

There is also the question of whether the authorities were aware of what was going on and whether they chose to ignore it. It is possible they were too busy with something else.

John F5VLF

On 1 Apr 2018, at 00:26, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Alex yes I am sure we all had our bouts of 'unlicenced experimentation'  The LF community was so small that anything like a T/A qso would probably not go unnoticed. RU6LAs collection of events was an interesting read. I must remember to consult it before ''mis-remembering'' in future:-))  it corrected several silly errors in my first post.

 

It seems a long time ago now . If you have contact with Ed (?) RU6LA could you advise that the URL, behind the button to my propagation report in the toolbar at the top, no longer exists.

 

Best Wishes

Alan

G3NYK

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alex R7NT

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:01 PM

Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Alan,

ie it was US pirate or unlis with a good experience of RX and TX on LF in the early 2000s.

I know such cases on 160m band in the USSR. In the early 1960s Vlad UB5WF (pirate) made 2way legendary Stew W1BB and Jack VE1ZZ in particular :) I gave part of his 160m log in Top-band reflector with Vlad consent in 2004

I even know the current LF enthusiast from Russia on pirated 50mc :)

In any case, congratulations to Chris and Paul on the first official 2way QSO USA<>EU and USA<>G !

73! Alex R7NT  136.73.ru

2018-03-31 20:06 GMT+03:00 Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:

Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not) 

 

I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) being currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an event.

 

That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile.

 

Best Wishes

Alan

G3NYK

----- Original Message -----

From: Markus Vester

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM

Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when? 

73, Markus (DF6NM)

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Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations.
Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well
documented or widely known.

Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement
that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I
still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it possible.

73,
Paul N1BUG