Hi Stefan,
>Now my question: Is it better to remove a BF981 amp stage
>(about 16 dB to 18 dB gain!) in front of the mixer (SBL-3) to
>get a lower RX noise or do i better reduce the gain on the
>LT1028 stage on the AF side? The AF pass band is 11...18 kHz
>(LO= 461 kHz)
A general design rule for cascaded amplification stages is that the
noise figure of the first stage is the most crucial one for the overal noise
figure.
So I would leave the gain before the lossy mixer as it is and reduce gain after
the mixer.
http://194.75.38.69/applications/mcl_nf_calc.html
http://www.custommmic.com/Calculators/Cascade-Analysis/
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DK7FC
>Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:28 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: LF: FZ-02-B mechanical filter input matching
>
>Hi MF,
>
>Some of you are using the old Telefunken mechanical filter in
>homemade receivers for 630m. I use them i all my MF receivers.
>
>There have been discussions about how to match the antenn to
>that filter.
>So far, i used this matching method:
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/MF/MF%20Filter%20s
chematic.png (recently using the 500 Ohm input rather than the 18k input) >i.e.
an active impedance converter stage.
>This has a few advantages:
>-The input of the filter can be matched perfectly to the jFET,
>giving a minimun pass band ripple (less than 1 dB)
>-The matching is independent of the impedance of the voltage
>source connected to the input of the jFET
>-You can use a 50 Ohm resitor on the input of the jFET, giving
>a perfect matching of the cable for all frequencies
>-The input can even be used as an active antenna (very high Z)
>-Many receiver inputs can be switched in parallel! For example
>a LF RX parallel to a MF RX plus one 50 Ohm resistor...
>-The input of the mechanical filter must not be exceeded to a
>voltage above 2 V rms (inside the passband or on any
>frequency?????) So, if the jFET is driven at 5V supply
>voltage, the filter is protected against overvoltages!
>These were the arguments why i decided to use this technique
>so far. Here is an image of the RX on my remote site, captured
>today:
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/MF/MF%20mechanical
>%20filter%20active%20input.jpg
>
>But now, on my remote RX site i have a relatively large RX
>antenna (T, 5m V, 20m H) with a 50 Ohm matching. Furthermore i
>want to reduce the power consumption of the RX system. And i
>want to try to improve the RX performance even more. So i've
>made a modification, a simple transformer matching (nothing
>new!!!!!!!) as recently discussed.
>Here the advanatges are:
>-No active parts in front of the mechanical filter, just wire,
>Ls, Cs, cable and ferrite cores!
>-One active stage less, i.e. less power consumption, about 10
>mA at 12V, i.e. 0.24 Ah per day!
>-A 'gain' (relative to the active stage which has a voltage
>gain of - 6 dB due to the resistor matching) of 16 dB
>(confirmed by measurements on SpecLab) because the transformer
>makes 10 dB when transforming from 50 Ohm to the 500 Ohm input
>of the filter
>-This gain makes one of the following amp stages obsolete,
>i.e. likely i can remove one more active stage which will
>result in even less power consumption, maybe 0.5 Ah per day,
>which is much in winter!
>-Maybe less RX noise?
>-Maybe less unwanted IM products??
>
>Here is an image of the simple new input matching
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/MF/MF%20mechanical
>%20filter%20passive%20input.jpg
>One of the advantages of the active input matching is missing
>now: the perfect matching. The pass band ripple is now about 2
>dB but this is still acceptable for me if there are some
>advantages on the other side.
>
>The second amp stage is not yet removed in my currently
>running RX, so there is to much gain in the moment, i.e. a
>smaller dynamic range. I just wanted to confirm the 16 dB to
>decide the next steps.
>
>Now my question: Is it better to remove a BF981 amp stage
>(about 16 dB to 18 dB gain!) in front of the mixer (SBL-3) to
>get a lower RX noise or do i better reduce the gain on the
>LT1028 stage on the AF side? The AF pass band is 11...18 kHz
>(LO= 461 kHz)
>
>73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
>
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