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Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz

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Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz
From: David Hine <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:07:57 +0000 (GMT)
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But not one with a switch mode power supply frequency above 2 Hz!! Dave
From: Warren Ziegler <[email protected]>
To: rsgb_lf_group <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 19:01
Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz

At least you can still use a torch (flashlight) without an NOV !

73 Warren



On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:48 PM, David Hine <[email protected]> wrote:
Best to now take up Tiddlywinks and Ludo -but first check! -the high flying counters (over 1/4") may need a special airborne safety flying NOV!! Dave.
From: Warren Ziegler <[email protected]>
To: rsgb_lf_group <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 17:14
Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz

     Sorry that you asked ?


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roger Lapthorn <[email protected]> wrote:
For those interested in the official UK OFCOM response see below:
A precis of the following is basically that in the UK you need an NoV to operate below 8.3kHz and (just maybe can get one for) low powered operation around 73kHz with MoD approval for 6 month periods. Above 3000GHz (e.g. IR and optical) the wireless telegraphy act does NOT apply. Earth-mode or utilities assisted earth-mode (through the ground) can be used without a licence (is my reading) but not if signals are essentially radiated.  No real surprises, but disappointingly "official"  and " boring" responses. No initiative being shown on their part. The thrust seems to be EM radiation, so where the propagation is essentially by induction I think one may be exempt too.



"Spectrum Licensing (to me)
Your ref: 1-641-1681low
Dear Roger,
Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay in responding.
There is no lower limit for the definition of ‘wireless telegraphy’ in the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, only an upper limit* and we unaware of any order changing that. Transmissions below 8.3 kHz would still be covered by the WT Act and would need the relevant authorisation, even if there is no Allocation available in the UK FAT.  As you are most likely wanting to do this under the authorisation of your amateur radio licence, you would need to apply for a variation.
Unfortunately, the UK amateur radio licence does not authorise use of 73 kHz and we do not note it in any relevant exemption regulations, such as The Wireless Telegraphy (Testing and Development Under Suppressed Radiation Conditions) (Exemption) Regulations 1989. So any intended operation(s) would also have to be the subject of a variation.
If you wish to approach Ofcom for a NoV we would need you to provide as much information as possible. Information required would be things like radiated power, frequency, bandwidth, antenna type, height, NGR, whether directional (and, if so, direction), elevation, class of emission and purpose of use. We may be able offer a variation, but initially this would likely be for a temporary period e.g. six months. However, there is no guarantee that we can authorise this use.  We also note that the 73 kHz band is UK2 and that means prior approval from the MoD would need to be sought. 
*“116     “Wireless telegraphy”.
(1)        In this Act “wireless telegraphy” means the emitting or receiving, over paths that are not provided by any material substance constructed or arranged for the purpose, of energy to which subsection (2) applies. .
(2)        This subsection applies to electromagnetic energy of a frequency not exceeding 3,000 gigahertz that— .
(a)        serves for conveying messages, sound or visual images (whether or not the messages, sound or images are actually received by anyone), or for operating or controlling machinery or apparatus; or .
(b)        is used in connection with determining position, bearing or distance, or for gaining information as to the presence, absence, position or motion of an object or of a class of objects. .
(3)        The Secretary of State may by order modify the definition of “wireless telegraphy” by substituting a different frequency for the frequency that is for the time being specified in subsection (2). .
(4)        No order is to be made containing provision authorised by subsection (3) unless a draft of the order has been laid before Parliament and approved by a resolution of each House”
We hope the above information helps.
Regards
Ash
:: Ash Gohil
   Team Leader
  Spectrum Licensing
  Spectrum Operations
:: Ofcom
    Riverside House
   2a Southwark Bridge Road
   London SE1 9HA

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