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Re: LF: Re: Hall Effect for Over-current shutdown?

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Hall Effect for Over-current shutdown?
From: wolf_dl4yhf <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:00:04 +0200
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Hi Alan,

Of course when the reed switch closes, it must not (never, ever) directly switch the drain current !
(To do that, one would need an "opener" which are quite exotic devices for reed switches, with built-in permanent magnets).

What I would use the reed switch for is to 'remove the driving signal', or kill the FET's drain voltage.
To break the drain current (if the FET had died), one would need another -separate- MOSFET of course, which would then operate like an electronic fuse. Use a flipflop with reset-input to enable the supply voltage after the protection circuit has tripped. Or add some more elaborate control circuitry which doesn't cut off the drain supply voltage completely; instead reduce it to a level at which the FET withstands even the worst output mismatch. This would allow tuning (at low power), and then, after the SWR is ok, reset the flipflop to switch back to "normal" (high) power.

All the best,
  Wolf .

08.04.2013 23:01, schrieb Alan Melia:
Hi Wolf I cant remember the ratings now but breaking 18A+ might be a bit cruel :-))  It would probably need more than a tap with a pencil to unstick it !
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Hall Effect for Over-current shutdown?

.. or wind a few turns of fat copper wire around a 'reed relay' contact tube. Virtually no voltage loss then. I used this for a power supply, but it would work for the DC current feed inside a PA as well. IIRC, the product of number of turns * Amperes was about 50 for the contact to close.

73,
   Wolf .

Am 08.04.2013 21:39, schrieb Alan Melia:
Ah yes that is Class D and can go that way if mis-matched......that is a lot of power in a sensing resistor! I guess a Hall effect device or even a temp sensor would do that job. I think in over current condition a lot of power is dissipated in the devices. High side sensors should be available at 30v The sheets I have seen, suggest they require some assistance above about 40v.
 
Alan
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Hall Effect for Over-current shutdown?

Hi Alan,

    I've modified the G0MRF amp with the M0BMU output configuration, I'm using a 30V supply.
The G0MRF uses a current sense resistor to shut down the amp quickly in case too much current is being draw.
I've modified the output transformer turns ratio to produce more power at lower supply voltages (I'm using 500V, 55a FETs).
However with the new higher currents and with a new appropriate value sense resistor its developing a LOT of heat (12 W or so) and needs to be heat-sinked.
I'm thinking Hall-effect might be more efficient and produce less heat - I'm pretty sure that others have used Hall effect devices to protect MOSFET amplifier and I'm looking for circuit tips.

73 & Tnx!
Warren




On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Alan Melia <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah interesting problem Warren.... why is it over-current?? if it is over-current because a high voltage has welded/melted a short between drain and source, then the protection wont help ....high currents usually lead to excess heating ......but what is the real cause? If you really need DC supply protection would not a high-side current monitor be easier/faster??? The problem then could be there is enough energy stored in the PA choke to zap the FET before, or even if, you can disconnect the supply.
 
OK drive fails permanently on might be a condition it would protect the FETs against with DC coupled drive
 
Alan G3NYK
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: LF: Hall Effect for Over-current shutdown?

Anyone using a Hall effect device for overcurrent sensing and shutdown in a MOSFET amplifer?

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