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Pete
The problem will be for new stations
who will take guidance that only the
operation is based on beacons or
close in cw nets , I have seen mention that
ssb is not allowed and data is
bandwidth restricted , voice was not a option on
500 (for us , but I have had xband ssb qso
with Gus , 505 / 80 mtrs) , sure the band is
large, but full of beacons already ,
so there is not very much clear room
Luckily everything is erp based ,
but even then as Mal's Mr Crock has
found out , big signals do not =
qso's as skip and Ae efficiency puts
many signals in the noise , which only
leaves the one eye'd monster as
a reliable means of communication, equipment
will also be a problem as most are based on
deep water technology , offering cw / qrss
or wspr beacons , as to
having a actual qso to date ,
little is offered other than the ros mf
modes , mfsk works nicely but the s/n
is not as low as the ros-mf modes [ mf2 =
same as wspr] , but psk fails and
needs a linear system and is many
dB's worse as are most of the HF modes
Innovation , not a word banded about
very much down here and when anything new is
produced , Icky the fire bobby is
always just round the corner to spray
cold water on it !
Whitehall closes at the end of next
week , so to be before 1/1/13 it
will need to be out soon !
G..: ))
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room
OK Graham
I get the message. What modes are going to be allowed on the new band
since it is an international allocation? Will there be a band width imposed for any transmission type. I suppose
we could down load the DL licences conditions to see what they are allowed.
Because up to now dependent upon what you put in your NoV application is what
you can do. Did anyone put down 'Phone SSB 1.8kc/s BW for 501/4? The new
band has about enough room for four non interfering SSB channels. And with
overlap many more with Q5 potential SSTV, FAX all possible. If there is too much
restriction it may stifle innovation, on
the other hand set up a barrier and a way round it will be
found. However we are in the dark now but all will be revealed
soon definitely before 1/1/2013 according to my sources.
Mal
There is no doubt that he is a dyed in the wool OP with that antenna
farm WOW! I listen on TB at bottom end during the winter months and the antennas
some of them are using are huge not to mention the power.... :-). With comments
like "Just a minute old man I'll turn the beam............ " and its not a
joke!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
CW ? good heavens no , why I was using CW on
500 the other day till next door
switched there festive flashing lights on
and reduced the episode to a total
nonsense ! though come to think of it , the
signals where strong enough to of used one
of the spread spectrum data modes and
would not of noticed the hash ! and
live CW in the mariana trench is virtually
un heard of , in all my listening , I can
remember one station calling with live CW
on 136 , I think a GM , years ago ?
since then the orange people have taken
over, using the 'one eyed monsters' ( sea versions ?
or c++ ) !
I think 500 should be looked on as
the next band down from 160 , we
have proved there is nothing magical about
the band , 40 feet of wire with a coke
bottle on the end has crossed the pond ,
with wspr , ros-mf-7 and opera modes
, ok it took 750 feet of wire to get a
live CW contact with Newfoundland , but that
was with 50 watts , and hard work as no
one knew where the window was , so 4
of us spent hours taking it in turns hand
keying gb4fpr in the dead of night ..
I was thinking more of the orange light
brigade , with historical modes : )
new stations are starting to
associate low noise limited text length
modes which cannot pass the two
cat's and dog test with real
keyboard to keyboard data qso's . , even with the
prospect of a new band , there was not
even a hint of MF at the rsgb
convention in October , so what has
happened ? what ever it is , there
are going to be a lot of new users very
soon , the last thing anyone needs
is a re-run of 'Beacon Bedlam' brought on by
miss guided guidance !
73 -G..
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room
Hi Graham
If that was a thinly veiled insult to CW then I'm
disappointed. Other modes
require the one eyed monster out of silicon valley and power hungry devices for machine-human
interface need I say more? Or have I read you wrong?
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
Its not the radio rooms Pete , its
the deep sea monsters rising from the
depths of over 2000 meters , some
over 37,000 metres and taking over
our 600 meter play pool with pre hysterical
modes !
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio
Room
Hi all
Way
way too much RADIO but can you have too much radio? ............. you
decide.
73 es GL
Pete M0FMT IO91 UX
...and here is a superb HAM radio room (scroll
down!)
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
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