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Re: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 K

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Subject: Re: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 KHz :)
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:34:04 +0100
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Yes  I remember  those  tests  with  Albert  , the  results where  totally  different to  the local  25  mile  tests  with the  same  set up early in the  same  day . but that's  live  path  testing  ...
 
fsk  , of  course , but  simplicity is  the  object  , switching the (led)  light  off  and  on could   reduce the  duty  by  50%  where  heat is  a problem , but that  is for  those who  are experimenting  in that  area ,    adding   a  17 KHz   band to the  modem  simply  allows  any one to  try , with the  minimal  of  effort  , at the  moment the  only  path  is  via  conventional   translation at  100% carrier  , 30  second  burst  should   work  on satellite  scatter , works  fine  at 50MHz  with  aircraft ...  I assume the  optical  link will  not   have  a  dopper  shift ?
 
And  so  into the  night 
 
73 -G.,
 
 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 KHz :)

Hi Graham,
 
similar...? WSPR decodes reliably at -29 dB, Op-2 requires -23 dB. Both SNR figures are referenced to carrier power vs noise in 2.5 kHz. Op-8 would be equivalent in sensitivity but takes four times as long, and also conveys less data.
 
In an optical subcarrier system, FSK will be no more difficult to implement than ASK. And no average power is being saved by using 50% duty cycle.
 
Regarding the over the air comparison, please review the comment from PA0A, pasted beneath.
 
Sorry, but some statements just don't become more true by repeating them again and again... 
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
From: Albert
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz

Graham,

Regarding your dual mode 500 kHz tests yesterday. For me the absolute winner is WSPR, when Opera stopped to decode, due to QSB, WSPR continued with decodes at least 3 to 4 dB deeper into the noise.

73, Albert PA0A


From: Graham
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 KHz :)

What's  you  measured  error  ? ..taking  one  is  peak  and one  is  average  and  the  beach mark is  different  as well,  direct  read-out testing  is not  satisfactory. 
 
Over a live  radio  path  the  statement  is reasonably  correct  , op2  may  on the  + side  and  op4  on the  - side 
I think the  statement is  technically  correct, however , the  differences in the  calibration  and  method  do  present  a  technical quandary .
 
Similar   =   having a resemblance in appearance, character, or quantity, without being identical:
 
In parallel  transmission test  over  25  miles  on  500 k , the  two  modes  randomly  decoded at and  around the  same  level
 
However system implementation  is the key  , simplicity  of use , with  minimal  hardware requirements.  as can be  seen on the  136  band , many  stations  are  using  the  system with  some  very  good  results , hopefully  for  field   work  with  optical  systems  it  will  give a reliable  lap-top based  SDR   measuring  system .  
 
73 -G..
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 KHz :)

From: Graham
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:18 PM
Subject: LF: OPERA OPTICAL BEACON (way off topic) but is based on 17 KHz :)

...

> and OP2  has  similar  sensitivity as  the  wspr  system.

...

 

this is definitely not true.
 
73, Markus
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