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Re: LF: : Opera frequency usage and clicks, and over the Pole

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Subject: Re: LF: : Opera frequency usage and clicks, and over the Pole
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:46:22 +0100
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L..
 
If you  running  fixed  frequency  , you  could  use the  com-port  CW keying  option  and  set the  Tx to  CW mode  if   there  is a problem  with the  audio  drive .
 
Any  ALC and  or  AGC  will  causes  large  over swing's  , depending  on the  pulse length  / off  time  and   alc  time  constants , I  think  Amtor -arq  was the  only  data  mode that  had  similar problems  , due to the  pulse shape
 
A  quick  test  is  using  a  Peak reading  power  meter  , should  be  very  little  change  when  switching  from Pk to  normal , or  observing  the  RF envelope.  
 
73 -G.. 

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:19 PM
Subject: LF: : Opera frequency usage and clicks, and over the Pole


Markus -  I looked at the audio coming out of my sound card using Opera 2 and certainly the keying on waveform, in my opinion is pretty fast rise and the click is very tangible
 
 In fact what I see is for shorter keying periods the key on rise is slower - but if theres a substantial gap the next audio tone on is very harsh and the key click hits the audio agc very hard.. Now, this may be my sound card, but turning levels down doesnt appear to change the ramp up rate at key on looking on the scope. I dont get the same with other keyed audio tone problems that have a more softkeying ramp. Just my observation here, wonder if it can be made a little softer if its more than my local conditions here.
 
Over the pole wise Im still seeing nothing from Europe and only the first tinges of DCF39 being visible at dot 60 slow - just.  Laurence KL1X Alaska

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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:09:20 -0400
Subject: LF: Opera frequency usage

Sorry, no joy here from John's Op-8 last night, due to several adverse conditions:
 
- relatively high QRN levels. Little one can do about it - the ol' rule "listen when QRN is low, transmit when it's high" is probably the best guide for intercontinental LF work.
 
- wrong RX frequency: I had set up my 2 Hz wide recording on 137561 and went to bed before John's update arrived...
In my opinion, splitting subbands for different Opera submodes is not a good idea. I don't see a technical need for it, and it eats up a lot of bandwidth, especially with the software's automatic frequency selection. Anyway the 137.5-.6 band overlaps typical WSPR usage (137.4-.6). And the area above 137.6 (especially the DCF gap around 137.63) would be the best choice for QRSS-3 or 10 QSOs.
 
- DK7FC was active on a nearby frequency during most of the night. In conjunction with the noise blanker the RX is desensitized by the a nearby strong signal. The problem is exacerbated by high density of keyclicks in Opera (5 to 8x more than QRSS), and that most seem to apply hard keying. Trying to interleave operating times (eg. even vs odd days, or hours) is probably not a satisfactory solution.
 
If we seriously consider using Opera for intercontinental work, I believe that we should include it in the existing splitband scheme, with widely spaced subbands for East-to-West and West-to-East operation (the well-proven "TA" and "Eu" slots). For example, we could place a narrow Opera slot beneath each of the QRSS segments. So, open to discussion, here is one proposal for slow-mode band usage:
 
137.77-137.78 W->E DX QRSS, DFCW 30..180 
137.76-137.77 W->E DX Op 32
 
137.60-137.75 mid range QRSS, DFCW 3..10
137.50-137.60 mid range Op 2..8
137.40-137.50 WSPR
 
136.17-136.18 E->W DX QRSS, DFCW 30..180 
136.16-136.17 E->W DX Op 32
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

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Von: John Andrews <[email protected]>
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Verschickt: Do, 30 Aug 2012 4:15 am
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Stephan, 

Actually, Jay was talking about transmitting OP8 also tonight. Not sure
of his plans. I will run XES until well after your sunrise.

John, W1TAG/WD2XES

On 8/29/2012 7:17 PM, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
> Hello John, Joe, LF,
>
> Wow, now there is much going on tonite again. Another time i don't know
> if i should RX or TX and in which mode...
> I think i will not have a chance to decode W1TAG in OP8, however VO1NA
> in OP32 could be possible and would be my best rx-distance in OP.
> Furthermore i want to provide test signals for YV7MAE, so i'm now
> sending DFCW-90, after sending DFCW-180 to VK.
>
> John, will you transmit OP8 until the morning? Has Jay a chance to
> receive me in OP8 later or will you nearly overload his RX? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> PS: Our russian friends are doing a good job! Many stations, with good
> receivers and transmitters!
>
>
> Am 30.08.2012 00:33, schrieb John Andrews:
>> Forgot about the split Opera band for the two data rates. The actual
>> frequency tonight will be 137.621 kHz. Stick with 136.0 USB for a dial
>> setting.
>>
>> John, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
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