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Subject: LF: RE: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters
From: "Mike" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:56:02 +0100
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Hi Stefan The source or load impedances are wrong. Try the test with a pot in series on one end first and see what value resistance reduces the ripple.
Best if a spec can be found then design circuit to provide the correct Z.
If no spec then vary the source and load until the ripple is minimum - ignore the insertion loss at this time.
When you come to a value then provide it with the circuitry.
When this stage is reached the insertion loss should minimise at the same time as the ripple.
Looks an excellent filter and will perform well when fed and loaded correctly.
73 de Mike G3JVL
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Stefan Schäfer
Sent: 29 June 2012 21:27
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Subject: LF: Fwd: Help needed, mechanical filters

4th try...

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Betreff: Help needed, mechanical filters
Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:58:41 +0200
Von: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
An: [email protected]


MF,

I have bought a mechanical filter which has a center frequency of 473 
kHz. It is available at 
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/html/body_hf-spezialbauteile.html 
(scroll down to FZ 01 / FZ 02). I have both types and just measured the 
frequency response. There is a data sheet as well which states the 
impedances to be connected to the wires.
There is even a datasheet at 
http://www.oppermann-electronic.de/assets/applets/FZ_01.pdf

All in all it looks very interesting and the slopes are really very 
sharp. However there is a passband ripple of 10 dB which is very very 
high. See the image: 
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/Mechanisches%20Filter%20473%20kHz.png

So what have i done wrong?  Or is it that bad?

The input signal is connected on the left side between the red and green 
wire. The output signal is taken from the right side on the red and 
green wire too. It looks as if each side has a coil on the green and red 
wire, with a tap at the yellow wire.
Helpful was this image from the web 
http://www.amateurfunkmuseum.de/AFM_321b-Dateien/image006.jpg which 
shows a similar filter. I have connected a resistor of 18 kOhm to the 
output and a 500 Ohm resistor in series to the signal generator, as 
stated in the datasheet. But the ripple does not change.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Guess for what i will need the filter! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

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