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Re: LF: Opera questions

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Subject: Re: LF: Opera questions
From: Andy Talbot <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:00:57 +0000
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Opera 31 has 8 second symbol periods, so has a noise bandwidth of 0.125Hz.
Normalising this -38dB  (in the ref 2500Hz)  to the actual  bandwidth
gives a S/N of +6dB

WSPR and JT4 when normalised in the same way come out at around 3dB
S/N.  Now, assuming that -38dB / +6dB figure is based on the carrier
on period, and not the mean power (which on my measurements is exactly
50% duty cycle) suggests Opera is 3dB lower performing on its raw
decoding over WSJT.   BUT, if the S/N is calculated based on the mean
power, then they are both equal.  But since they are both non-coherent
tone detection modes with strong FEC, that's hardly surprising.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com



On 6 January 2012 20:49, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's  ok Roger ..
>
> Rx   speed  is  automatic  .....   the  speed  select  is  for  Tx only  -
> mode  select  via  frequency  band
> No   PC time  lock  required  ...its free  running
> OP31 expected  round  -38 dB  s/n  (ave)     OP8   ~  -32 dB
>
> G..
>
>
>
> From: Roger Lapthorn
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: LF: Opera questions
>
> Sorry Graham, another Opera question. Does the mode depend on PC timing in
> the same way WSPR does? I think not, but just checking.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
> On 6 January 2012 20:34, Roger Lapthorn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Graham.
>>
>> Does the software sort out if it is receiving an Op8 or Op31 transmission?
>> I.e. if I TX in Op31 do people have to listen in that speed too? I think not
>> as I copied SM6BHZ when my switch was set to Op31.
>>
>> Is it possible to establish the "effective sensitivity" when comparing
>> Opera against WSPR, QRSS3, 30 etc? I am unsure if the bandwidths of the
>> modes in which the S/N is shown for Opera is comparable. If more sensitive
>> than WSPR or QRSS30 even then this is definitely a very exciting new mode
>> for QRPers like me. It might also be fun for earth mode VLF tests too.
>>
>> 73s
>> Roger G3XBM
>>
>>
>> On 6 January 2012 20:25, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok Roger
>>>
>>> The  tx  time  is  linked to the  mode  name   OP2  = 2 mins  ,   OP15 =
>>> 15 mins   OP8    OP31   mins
>>>
>>> Who's  on ?  Yes p possibly , but that  would  need  a  web programmer ..
>>> but  its  only  day  6 !
>>>
>>> you  can  check the  PSK Report map  to  see   who  has  tx /rx in the
>>> last 15  mins
>>>
>>> A book  would  be handy  as  it looks  like  its  going  to  be  popular
>>> , never  seen so  many  beacons  tx/rx  on 136 !
>>>
>>> Left hand  screen =  local  decodes
>>> Righ  hand  screen  =  decodes  distributed over the  web
>>>
>>> Not  forgetting Mr Ros  seems to  code  exceedingly  good  codes , as
>>> the  advert  says  hi
>>>
>>> 73 -G..
>>>
>>> From: Roger Lapthorn
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:10 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: LF: Opera questions
>>>
>>> Somewhere I must have missed some information:
>>>
>>> How long does it take to send a beacon message in Opera8 and Opera31?
>>> Is it possible to have something like the WSPRnet database showing
>>> stations on each band monitoring and TXing? It helps to know someone is
>>> looking!
>>> Can we have a "read me" that explains what is meant to happen on the
>>> screen?
>>>
>>> Tried a brief transmission on 136 into my earth electrodes as my loop
>>> antenna is down without success (so far) but just had my first decode on RX
>>> in Opera8:
>>>
>>> 20:07  SM6BHZ 136 Op8 -19 dB 951 km @ 046  - not bad for 2 ground rods
>>> and no antenna!
>>>
>>> 73s and thanks for this interesting new mode Graham.
>>>
>>> Roger G3XBM
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://qss2.blogspot.com/
>>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://qss2.blogspot.com/
>> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
>
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