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Re: LF: RE: Re: DL6NN on 137

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: DL6NN on 137
From: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:16:00 +0200
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Rik, Minto, LF,

My old LF TX antenna at the parents QTH in 2003 was about the same, even a bit shorter. I had 25m wire just about 8m up, surrounded by many trees and buildings, causing high losses. I just got 2.2 A at 1 kW and about 10 kV. Since the coil was inside the house i had to bring the HV through the window and used the inner part of a RG213 cable which survived about 2 TX hours per piece ;-) Anyway i worked OH1TN and OH5UFO as my best DX. Stations like DL4YHF, DL3FDO or DK7SU were 589 and me too... That must have been other times. QRM seems to be higher nowadays. Or not? That's the question!
But QRM can be compensated by QRO! ;-)
RX systems can be placed in a remote location, maybe using a FM link powered by solar energy. There are always interesting projects and challenges :-) Look at the OK2BVG VLF grabber that is in a remote location http://www.ok2bvg.cz/vlfgrabber/ QRM???


73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 25.07.2011 22:40, schrieb Rik Strobbe:
Hello Minto,

my old 136kHz antenna seems pretty similar to yours. If I remind well the 
antenna capacitance was slightly more (420pF) and the loss a bit less in winter 
(130 Ohm) but higher in summer (up to 170 Ohm).
The maximum output power was 450W, good for 1.85 A antenna current and just 
over 5kV antenna voltage.
As long as the antenna was dry I never had any problems with the antenna voltage. I had 
about 50% of the loading coil at the top of the vertical section, so the vertical section 
had "only" 2.5kV.
It seems a good idea to keep the hight voltage outdoor. Maybe you can put a 
large fixed coil outside and just have a small variometer for daily tuning 
inside. This will also reduce the losses.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

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namens Minto Witteveen [[email protected]]
Verzonden: maandag 25 juli 2011 21:34
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: LF: Re: DL6NN on 137

Hi Rik,
Thanks for the heads-up.
I think your antenna is better than mine, but possibly not by much. I do
have another concern however, and that is the high voltage at the antenna.
The capacitance at 136 kHz is (measured) 390 pF. With a total system
impedance of 150 Ohm and 1 kW this translates to 7.7 kV!!
On 500 I already had some "interesting" phenomena  with 5 kV. The antenna is
end-fed here in the shack in the attic.
So I will have a fire extinguisher at hand when tx-ing on 136..

Regards,
Minto pa3bca.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rik Strobbe
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 20:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: LF: DL6NN on 137

Minto,

I was active on 136kHz with a similar antenna (15m high, 25m long "lazy-L"
antenna) and in addition the losses were very high (abt. 130-160 Ohm).
Despite that I managed to work distances up to 1600km in regular CW (best DX
= OH1TN).
So don't dispair.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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