Re: LF: Re: Capacitor warning and First 500kHz Class E breadboard

[Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>]

Well, the first breadboard with only vaguely correct values worked OK  - so it doesn't look too be all that critical.  Design Q of teh tank circuit is 5, so values won't be that important.   No need to tap the L measure and get it right to start with,then use parallel C to fine tune the finished amp.    With this sort of Q. "narrow band" for class E probably means > 10kHz

 

Yes - most certainly agree with  "don't use ceramic caps"

 

I resurrected a 10n one from the waste bin, connected the C meter (10.9nF at Room Temp)  and turned a hair dryer on it.   C reduced to 5.4nF as I was watching, and that was probably only around 50C.  

Blowing on it shifted the value noticeably.

 

Andy

www.g4jnt.com

 

On 10 January 2011 15:07, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

I designed and built a class E PA for 500 Khz when the band became available.

I used some hefty poly caps in the PA and never used ceramic caps.

Use available caps to the nearest value and to fine tune pa, on the frequency of interest,  observing on a scope the waveform,  tap the coil up or down a couple of turns until the correct waveform is visible.

This amplifier is very robust and  has given excellent service ever since. 

My design is for 50 ohms and the TX is followed by a LPF then 100 yards of coax to the base of my inv L antenna. Antenna is also adjusted for 50 ohms match.

A class D amp is probably easier to build and needs no adjustments, other than matching to the antenna.

ie Class D is a broad band device whereas class E is specific to the design frequency.

g3kev

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----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Talbot

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:22 PM

Subject: LF: Capacitor warning and First 500kHz Class E breadboard

A warning to anyone contemplating making power amps - especially class E types.

Don't even think about using the small high voltage ceramic caps availalble at low cost from the suppliers - and sold as "suitable for SMPSUs etc"  in resonant circuits

They are appalling, terrible, revolting things.  You only have to breath on them and they change their value.wildly

 

These things    http://www.g4jnt.com/Download/UselessCaps.jpg

 

I've just  made up a first version of a breadboard for a 500kHz Class E amplifier, (target design 500W from 50 V supply),  calculated the L/C values as per Alan's spreadsheet, combined with an L matched output for 50 ohm.  For the capacitors I aimed to get within 5% of the calculated values using many of these small ceramic objects in parallel - lots in || should share the current, shouldn't they, which would be good?  

 

So I soldered them up - used the G4HUP L/C meter to measure the values - at which point I should have been a bit suspicious as the measured C was sometimes a fair bit lower than it should have been.  At the time I just put it down to "finger trouble" - one does tend to ignore little things like that sometimes.   

Anyway, made up the amp, used a 12V supply rail and monitored the switching waveforms, expecting to see something vaguely approaching the half sine on drains etc.

 

Results, terrible, nowhere near what they should have been - clearly summat was very wrong  I remeasured the || combination of the caps - after unsoldering they were sometimes as much as half the value they should have been  - until they cooled right down and approached room temp. Occasionally a cap value approaching correct would show up on the meter once in a while - but that was was probably just coincidence :-) 

And yes, I did double, triple and quadruple check the meter against good caps - it was OK every time.

 

These little blue things appear to have a huge temperature coefficent - are completely useless, designed to do nothing of value, and all have now gone into the waste bin.

In fact, I was wondering if they were random-capacitors.  

 

I did have a just two trusted 22nF caps in the junk box that were within 20 - 30% of the right values for the amp and an awful lot of 3.3nF 1700V things of a more respectable heritage, so just put these into the circuit, tested at 12V and got waveforms almost correct.   Increased drive freq to 515kHz (no real scope for changing cap values at this stage, so freq change would be easier to try with) where the waveform looked best, and increased supply volts.      Got to 30V and it was delivering 150 Watts; 40V and was getting around 350 Watts at which point I assumed it was going to work, so switched off for a break.   Wasn't going to tempt fate by gong to the full 50V having not even bothered to tune things up properly

A picture of that breadboard can be seen at   http://www.g4jnt.com/Download/ClassE_BrdBd01.jpg 

 

The yellow cap shunting the device was running quite warm - which is hardly surprising just a single poly[whatever] carrying all those amps - and the one in series with the tank was slightly warm.    So, now need to browse the Farnell catalogue (the cubic printed paper version is easier) for some caps that will do the job properly - like more of those yellow ones.  Actually, may have enough of the 3.3nF ones, but that would end up with lots in parallel

 

So, for anyone who is contemplating a class E amplifier design:

 

Get close to the calculated component values and it will probably mostly-work immediately.

Play with the drive frequency while monitoring waveforms  to see which way tuning needs to go

Don't use cheap high voltage ceramic capacitors

Don't use cheap high voltage ceramic capacitors

 

They would work well in a random number generator tho.....

 

Andy

www.g4jnt.com