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LF: Re: LF: 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth? EU and Global ??

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Subject: LF: Re: LF: 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth? EU and Global ??
From: Warren Ziegler <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:23:41 -0400
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Mal,

     In the US we have very few operators spread out over a large
geographic area (including ops in Alaska and Hawaii) as well as up to
20kHz available to us. To date QRM is a non-issue.

-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:43 PM, mal hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
> The majority of CW operators on LF/FMF will not exceed 100 hz bandwidth.
> 99.9% are sending at speeds of about 10wpm or less.
> 100 hz is about right on LF/MF where the total bandwidth of the permitted
> allocation is about 3 khz
> also, as far as data modes are concerned all that is happening on LF/MF is
> bodging data modes meant for vhf/uhf applications and making a mess, ie the
> Appliance Operator approach
>
>
> g3kev
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rik Strobbe
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 1:19 PM
> Subject: RE: LF: 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth? EU and Global ??
> Graham,
>
> the document that gives us access to 500kHz says 100Hz bandwidth, but does
> not say how many dB's the signal has to be attenuated at these limits.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> ________________________________
> Van: [email protected] [[email protected]]
> namens Graham [[email protected]]
> Verzonden: donderdag 6 mei 2010 13:30
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: Re: LF: 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth? EU and Global ??
>
> Ok Many  thanks'  for the  reply's
>
> From that .... next is :-
>
> From the  data, I assume that  100  Hz is the  common  limiting factor for
> a  narrow  band  data transmission  that  could be used by all  who
> 'wanted'  to  use it  ?..(noted on the  cw keying  speed  ~ BW)
>
> So if a  value of  100 Hz is  specified, what  is the  'presumed'  roll-off
> of the power in the said bands ?, assuming that  the  original  concept was
> based on CW operation , which by  definition 'has to' generate sidebands ,
> there must be an assumed  tolerance ?
>
> Q  would the deployment  of a  system that  could   defined as   125 hz
> bandwidth  ie 100 Hz with   +/-  12.5 Hz  overspill , cause  a  technical
> breach  of the  regulations  or  be  viewed as  occupying  the  'allocated'
> bandwidth  for a  telegraphy transmission ? ,
>
> Taking that  spectral measurements in the  10  Hz  region are  perhaps
> starting to  test  even the  best equipment, the  area  is perhaps a
> little  empiric ?
>
> I use the  word  telegraphy, purposely to view/observe the  situation
> interims of the  licence  conditions and not on the  basis  of  'mode' which
> like  Liverpool  and Everton have there  own sub cultures  but are still
> football  teams ..
>
> Thanks
>
> Graham
> G0NBD
>
>
>
>
> From: Graham
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: LF: 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth? EU and Global ??
>
> 500 Permit emission’s bandwidth?
>
>
>
> Can any one indicated  what is the  permitted  ‘telegraphy’  bandwidth  of
> the various ‘new’ 500KHz  licences  or  special  permits issued round the
> EU and now the  rest of the  Globe ?
>
>
>
> I have the impression that 100 Hz is the maximum ‘telegraphy’ transmission
> bandwidth, in some cases, eg , Belgium at 100 Hz .  Others appear to be some
> what wider or not defined ?.
>
>
>
> Norway  is CW only  ? what is the  Dutch  allocation ? Southern Ireland ?
> ... etc
>
>
>
> Are  Beacons defined by  mode or  bandwidth  ?
>
>
>
> Tnx – Graham
>
> G0NBD
>
>
>
> (I use the  word  ‘telegraphy’ as defined by the  ITU R V.662-3 ,  please
> no  reference to key clicks ! )
>
>
>
>

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