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Re: LF: Dirty carrier

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Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier
From: "Clemens Paul" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:05:39 +0100
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Graham,

thanks for the link to the capture.
Looks strange indeed,cat whisker-like (again :-) ).
Seems the carrier I've seen is a different one.

you  where  looking at  1 or  2  Hz spectrum width ?

No,according to the frequency scale (numbers are a bit small) a bit less
than +/-50Hz on the screenshot.
I've also looked with wider spreads,but no 50Hz or 100Hz harmonics were visible.


73
Clemens
DL4RAJ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier


Ok Clemens,

Mal was looking at  900  Hz spread with  100  Hz separation  .. from you
post, you  where  looking at  1 or  2  Hz spectrum width ?
nothing  like that  shows at  Liverpool  .. only  a  random pattern caused
by the  modulation , Gary  captured this  pattern a  while  ago  >
http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/504%20off%201353z%2020090720.jpg

G ..

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From: "Clemens Paul" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:46 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier


Graham,

the rx was tuned to 504*k*Hz as you can see on the screenshot.
The RBW or better bin resolution was 0,12Hz.
I'm not sure what you mean by "mHz": MilliHertz or Megahertz?
Or do I miss your point?

73
Clemens
DL4RAJ


----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier


?
Clemens

I think Mal is  referring to   Hz  and  not  mHz ? ..  the  tx is only
across  the  Irish  sea  from Liverpool and shows +30 db over the  noise
on
spec-lab .. sometimes  I can  listen to the audio .. :(   ..

G ..

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From: "Clemens Paul" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:51 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier

That's how the "504kHz-carrier" looks like here on Perseus.
Actually two carriers,one a bit lees than 1Hz below and another,
a bit more than 3Hz below.


73
Clemens
DL4RAJ

----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier


The sidebands spread 900 hz spaced each side of the carrier at 100 hz
intervals.The dirt has now gone, fault rectified.
g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier


Carrier  is  30  db over the  noise floor at Liverpool , no hum lines
showing,
only  modulation  spread , nothing  showing at  Birmingham either
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

If it  was  100 Hz hum , then the  side bands  would be  , 503.900
and
504.100 ..  that was the  reason for  picking  502.4 as the  wspr
frequency
to  make use of the  100  Hz window under 504 ..

G ..

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From: "mal hamilton" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier

>
> I think it is a problem with RTE 2nd harmonic 100 hz hum on the
> carrier
> 503.4 K/cs
> de mal/g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Dirty carrier
>
>
>> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>>
>> Nothing unusual visible/audible here...
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>
>
>






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