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Re: LF: Re: WSPR and CW

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR and CW
From: Scott Tilley <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:22:46 -0800
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Careful Klaus your using terms that our friend Mal doesn't understand and you may be approaching actually trying to rationalize with him...

To him CW in any form is above the laws of Physics and only those anointed into the brotherhood of the Ditty/Dotty have been enlightened to the point of having complete understanding...

The rest of us lacking membership in this secret brotherhood will never get it or have QSOs with the little DX stations in our heads...

I await the usual Mal script:
1) Do you know who I am? Let me tell you how great I am...
2) I've worked Timbukto with a paper clip and a mW using CW.
3) Reason be damned I'm right even if I don't have a clue...
4) Goto 1) as he has forgotten what ever he was rambling about before...

73 Scott

Klaus von der Heide wrote:

Hello friends,


my comments to the discussion WSPR vs. CW:

(1) Modes only can be compared at a specified data rate. Of course, CW is "better" than every thinkable digital mode if we allow it to be slowed down until something can be identified on the screen. What really counts is the duration of a random QSO.

(2) Modes only can be compared at a specified error rate. Try to communicate completely unknown messages! The symbol error rate of CW at it's ultimate snr is relatively high. Getting confidence in a callsign needs a low symbol error rate, i.e. a good snr.

(3) I am working on a digital mode for minimal QSOs. In simulations with Gaussian noise and Rayleigh fading it is 1 dB above the Shannon limit. On-off-keying as used by CW by principle cannot reach that.


Wishing the best for 2009,

73 de Klaus, DJ5HG



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